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The rulebook states that a unit may exit a transport that has moved no more than 6 inches or combat speed but that each model must exit by being in base contact with the vehicles exit point, then can move up to 6 inches away. You then repeat this with every model until the entire unit has moved.

Why not just move the unit up to 6 inches away from the exit point to start with? Why the extra step of first placing it in base contact, then moving it away?

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
The rulebook states that a unit may exit a transport that has moved no more than 6 inches or combat speed but that each model must exit by being in base contact with the vehicles exit point, then can move up to 6 inches away. You then repeat this with every model until the entire unit has moved.

Why not just move the unit up to 6 inches away from the exit point to start with? Why the extra step of first placing it in base contact, then moving it away?

Because sometimes you will have to go around impassible terrain, or stay 1" away from enemy models etc.

Yep, there may be situations where the access point is blocked, and this procedure makes sure that you can't just skip around obstructions.

p79, Disembarking allows a unit to disembark if the transport has moved no more than 6". It doesn't say you can disembark provided you only moved at Combat Speed.

For example, a unit could not disembark through normal means if it was travelling at Combat Speed in a Zooming flyer (which redefines Combat Speed to be 18").

Snapshot wrote:
p79, Disembarking allows a unit to disembark if the transport has moved no more than 6". It doesn't say you can disembark provided you only moved at Combat Speed.

For example, a unit could not disembark through normal means if it was travelling at Combat Speed in a Zooming flyer (which redefines Combat Speed to be 18").

Isn't combat speed 6 inches?

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:

Snapshot wrote:
p79, Disembarking allows a unit to disembark if the transport has moved no more than 6". It doesn't say you can disembark provided you only moved at Combat Speed.

For example, a unit could not disembark through normal means if it was travelling at Combat Speed in a Zooming flyer (which redefines Combat Speed to be 18").

Isn't combat speed 6 inches?

For some vehicles it is.

For Flyers Combat Speed is 18"

For Ork Vehicles with RPJ combat speed is 7 inches.

It rdepends on the vehicle sometimes.

However, there doesn't seem to be anything that stops a unit disembarking before the flyer moves, and then have the flyer make a normal Zoom move.

Yeah if you have all but one exit door on a Rhino blocked off by impassable terrain, then on the on usuable exit there is an enemy unit 4" away, you couldn't just place your unit 6" away and be on the other side of the unit.

Snapshot wrote:
However, there doesn't seem to be anything that stops a unit disembarking before the flyer moves, and then have the flyer make a normal Zoom move.

You would have to have hovered with the flyer in the previous turn, otherwise it is still a zooming flyer, and accordingly, models cannot disembark from it at all.

 Drunkspleen wrote:

Snapshot wrote:
However, there doesn't seem to be anything that stops a unit disembarking before the flyer moves, and then have the flyer make a normal Zoom move.

You would have to have hovered with the flyer in the previous turn, otherwise it is still a zooming flyer, and accordingly, models cannot disembark from it at all.

Page reference?

I'd assumed you couldn't disembark from a Zoomer as well, but I can't find the ref either.



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Snapshot wrote:
I'd assumed you couldn't disembark from a Zoomer as well, but I can't find the ref either.



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Fair enough, I hadn't got my book with me,

Snapshot wrote:
However, there doesn't seem to be anything that stops a unit disembarking before the flyer moves, and then have the flyer make a normal Zoom move.

Don't you dare start this argument again. It's been done to death on these forums.

 Cheesedoodler wrote:

Snapshot wrote:
However, there doesn't seem to be anything that stops a unit disembarking before the flyer moves, and then have the flyer make a normal Zoom move.

Don't you dare start this argument again. It's been done to death on these forums.

Done to Death, and resolved nicely.

You choose a mode, either Zooming or Hover, and that mode lasts until you choose a mode in your movement phase.

If you were zooming, you can not disembark, as the Zooming rules disallow it.

If you were Hovering then the squad inside can disembark and the Flyer can Zoom away after the unit moves.

Yes, lets please not go there.

Besides, the vehicle in question was a normal vehicle. Not a Flyer, not even a skimmer. So, it has no relevance to the question I asked.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
Yes, lets please not go there.

We do not have to as the situation is not vague at all.

A question about Red Orks....

Transport rules state that units can disembark only if vehicle movement is <6.0000000000000000000000001".
If a red Ork vehicle uses its +1" movement to move 7" combat speed, no one can disembark? Ie. there's no special provision for the Red Rule that overrides the BRB 6" rule?

Elric Greywolf wrote:
A question about Red Orks....

Transport rules state that units can disembark only if vehicle movement is <6.0000000000000000000000001".
If a red Ork vehicle uses its +1" movement to move 7" combat speed, no one can disembark? Ie. there's no special provision for the Red Rule that overrides the BRB 6" rule?

That's correct. And my apologies for throwing the Zoomer into the mix. I was quickly trying to find an example where you could move MORE than 6" at Combat speed and be unable to disembark, and succeeded only in putting my foot in my mouth.

Red Paint Job is the ideal example I was probably looking for

Snapshot wrote:

Elric Greywolf wrote:
A question about Red Orks....

Transport rules state that units can disembark only if vehicle movement is <6.0000000000000000000000001".
If a red Ork vehicle uses its +1" movement to move 7" combat speed, no one can disembark? Ie. there's no special provision for the Red Rule that overrides the BRB 6" rule?

That's correct. And my apologies for throwing the Zoomer into the mix. I was quickly trying to find an example where you could move MORE than 6" at Combat speed and be unable to disembark, and succeeded only in putting my foot in my mouth.

Red Paint Job is the ideal example I was probably looking for

But to counter that, RPJ also says that you ignore the penalties for moving that extra inch, so you count as moving 6" for the purposes of disembarking.

Damn, damn, damn! OK, there may not be an example :0 The rule says 6", not Combat speed. I'll go drink something now.