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Good Morning from the United Kingdom my fellowing Dakkalings! The wife gave me a kitchen pass last night and I decided to go out to play some 40k. I went to a buddy's house and we had a 2000pt game of DA Black/Green Wing vs Tau (72 FW, 3 Hammerheads, and 12 Crisis Suits). Mind you I'm still very new to the game and learning every bit of the way . So here is my question; do bikers charging into CC get an additional attack from having a chainsword rather than a bolt pistol equiped? My buddy had said that the rules clearly state that to gain an additional attack the mini must have two weapons listed in their profile from the Codex. My agruement was that, bikers can't physically carry two weapons into CC and still control the bike! My second question; so why would GW add in the equipment list that any Ravenwing Biker can equip a chainsword for free if this literally doesn't do anything but make the model look different??? I hope this made some sense

chainsword is just the wep they use in cc adding the bolt pistol grants you another attack.

and dont try to bring in commonsence into a GW game thats not how the rules work space marines are ellites orks for example can have choppa and sluggas while on their bikes thus they gain another attack in CC

So if someone decides to upgrade their RAS w/Vet Sergeant and equip him with a Power Weapon. Is that Vet Sergeant not going to recieve an additonal attack from having a Power Weapon? Is the player buying the Power Weapon to make the sergeants CC attacks AP 3/4??? If that is the case would it be worth the points in a RAS to do that upgrade?

Throw common sense out of the window when it comes to 40k. I put my Black Templars Chaplain on a bike and give him a thunder hammer and storm shield. The model looks ridiculous because there's no way he can physically steer the bike, yet it's perfectly legal to field.

So, as long as your guy has a CC weapon in both hands (or a CC weapon in one hand and a gun that counts as an additional CC weapon in the other (e.g. a Bolt Pistol)) he qualifies for his additional attack even though he looks ridiculous astride a bike. Silly, but legal. I guess we can assume he's stowed the CC weapon(s) away in a nifty little compartment and produces it upon entry into combat. I dunno, logic is null and void in the 41st Millenium.

Worth noting - standard Ravenwing can't take a bolt pistol AND a chainsword, as they replace the former for the latter. So they won't be getting the extra attack anyway, as in either case they'll only have one Melee weapon.
The Sergeant is the exception, in your example giving him the power weapon would give him the extra Attack.

As far as why you'd do it - to be honest, on Bikes both the pistol and the chainsword are worthless on their own anyway, so really it's just for looks. As Bikes, they are Relentless and can fire the twin-linked bolter on the bike and then charge on the same turn without any penalties.

Thanks for the reply guys
Enceladus - You are 100% correct; that is just plain silly seeing that Chaplin on a bike then trying to hold both of those weapons would be awesome to see him flying forward because he can't balance himself! I just wish GW would take some time and try to think about some of the rules they are making to cover all of the units. Just to much to ask I suppose :(

Super Ready - I'm curious to hear if you are talking about the base attacks of two or if he will gain an additional attack by equiping the Power Weapon. I don't have the Codex on me at the moment but, I'm assuming that if he adds this Power Weapon he isn't replacing his Bolt Pistol?

Additionally, I was thinking along the lines of calavery where the horsemen is holding his Sword in his hand while charging the enemy mowing them down as he runs by. Think of Lord of Rings Rohan Horsemasters Additonally, I suppse the add in of Hammer of Warth was a great supplement to bikes to kinda give them additonal hits/wounds in the subphase

Malik_Raynor wrote:
So here is my question; do bikers charging into CC get an additional attack from having a chainsword rather than a bolt pistol equiped?

The bonus attack for charging doesn't care for what a model might be equipped with and is entirely separate to the bonus attack for wielding two weapons, you can receive both of these separate bonuses at the same time or individually, depending on circumstances.

Assuming there are no special rules impacting your charge (e.g: charging into terrain, or the defender having defensive grenades) your models will gain the bonus attack for charging regardless of how they are armed.

The further bonus attack requires 2 melee weapons (which pistols can act as).

In the case of a normal Ravenwing Attack Squad, this means you will gain the bonus attack for charging, but not the one for having two melee weapons.

The option to take a chainsword is just to allow you to field models equipped that way, for WYSIWYG purposes, there is no benefit to taking one, that's why it's free, if there were benefits to taking a chainsword it would cost points.


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 Super Ready wrote:
The Sergeant is the exception, in your example giving him the power weapon would give him the extra Attack.

No it wouldn't he comes with a bolt pistol only, like the rest of the unit, and has to trade a weapon away when he takes a new one from the melee wargear list.

When it comes to Ravenwing, you have to field Black Knights (and possibily command squads, can't remember) to have 2 CC weapons and thus +1A for wielding 2CC weapons, they're so badass they drive with their knees ! (just like Orks, Dark Eldars, Space Wolves, Chaos ...)

So would giving your Vet Sergeant in a RAS a Power Weapon worth the points cost seeing as he will only have 3 CC attacks with it? And would you guys field 1 ten man, two 5 man, or even bigger squads of Black Knights? Last night the Black Knights were crazy good but my Command Squad with Sammual was completly obliterated in first Tau turn :( Sammual worth it against 72 FWs?

Those aren't really questions for this part of the forum, they are tactical decisions.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
No it wouldn't he comes with a bolt pistol only, like the rest of the unit, and has to trade a weapon away when he takes a new one from the melee wargear list.

Doh, I stand corrected - thanks. So the Sergeant can't ever get two melee weapons either.