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So I decided id go back to my 4th ed. love and get a Tyranid army, and I hoped you here at Dakka Dakka could help me decide what to chose. Lets say I have 600$ to spend, and want at least a 2k army and need the codex. I also want at least one flyrant but after that im unsure what to add so I came to the brilliant minds at Dakka for advice! please make sure to use USD at GW pricing (ik ik, but it makes things overcompensated for when I look on ebay for them and they aren't there)

As a regular 6th ed (orks) I play against bugs quite often...

I have found.

Flyrants are brutal az and a must have , destroys other hq chracters in challenges.

Termagaunts over hermagaunts - 6th ed much more shooty alot less choppy.

Tervigon - spawn more termagaunts!! Get it

My advice is based on how I like to play I'm not a huge fan of a swam army with your budget . I would go with

X2 Flyrants ( I would recommend you magnetise one so you have you can take the swarm load once in a while . See my YouTube channel to see how to do this best.)

1 or 2 Tervigons (3 or 4 ) if you want a swam army.

About 100 termagants (eBay)

The Doom (see my vid for ideas on how to make one)
In a spore pod

2 units of 3 hive guard

Deathleaper trust me he can be fun he is very good in 6th not a must have.

2-3 Carnifexs I would always run them with devours but you can make them to suit how you play ( if ur used to them in 4th you will be a little disappointed back then they were the best unit in the game . They are still very powerful but very overlooked due to the massive hit they took in 5th.

2 Trygons - I like primes but I understand why some people go for non primes .

Please take time to watch some of my Nid videos they might help you . Enjoy your army they are so fun to play with
http://www.youtube.com/user/Acefacehickers

Do not build your army under the assumption that Tyranids are an assault army.

While they have some very nasty assault units that hit like a ton of bricks, they're actually a short ranged combat army. They have plentiful anti infantry and anti armour capability at 18"-24", with a few guns extending to 48".

Use them. If you try to build your bugs as purely assault, you're going to run into a lot of problems.

-Loki- wrote:Do not build your army under the assumption that Tyranids are an assault army.

While they have some very nasty assault units that hit like a ton of bricks, they're actually a short ranged combat army. They have plentiful anti infantry and anti armour capability at 18"-24", with a few guns extending to 48".

Use them. If you try to build your bugs as purely assault, you're going to run into a lot of problems.

See back in 4th they excelled in assault. I had 3-4 30 unit hormagaunt swarms, a 60 man termaguant and a couple dozen geanstealers and could dominate.

aceface wrote:My advice is based on how I like to play I'm not a huge fan of a swam army with your budget . I would go with

X2 Flyrants ( I would recommend you magnetise one so you have you can take the swarm load once in a while . See my YouTube channel to see how to do this best.)

1 or 2 Tervigons (3 or 4 ) if you want a swam army.

About 100 termagants (eBay)

The Doom (see my vid for ideas on how to make one)
In a spore pod

2 units of 3 hive guard

Deathleaper trust me he can be fun he is very good in 6th not a must have.

2-3 Carnifexs I would always run them with devours but you can make them to suit how you play ( if ur used to them in 4th you will be a little disappointed back then they were the best unit in the game . They are still very powerful but very overlooked due to the massive hit they took in 5th.

2 Trygons - I like primes but I understand why some people go for non primes .

Please take time to watch some of my Nid videos they might help you . Enjoy your army they are so fun to play with
http://www.youtube.com/user/Acefacehickers

Sad to hear bout the fexes, I loved them boys. Crushing claws, extended carapace, stranglethorn cannon, the works. Was able to walk this thing through any firewall (groups of 3 of course; they weren't squadible then) and trash anything I wanted.

Thanks for the help guys will be getting the codex and seeing whats changed and what looks good!

Your 4th army could work but ur going to need a lot of spods to get them up there . If they get there survive the turn they drop and don't get over watched to death 'they will still dominate' . It's just a hard one . Good luck

Maybe if I still had them... sold them at the dawn of 5th ed. that's why I wanna get more, I miss those little buggers (geddit ) also is there a model for the spod or is it due to interpretation?

It's not just a cheesy plug but I have a vid of the best one available . But no there's not a GW model I don't think there will be till the next codex . So yer it is up for interpretation , so the one I use for GW comps that I made has a big base .
So for one when it comes to deploying from it you have a massive 6" bubble (very cheesy)
And for 2 because it can't misshap unless it goes off the board if you have condensed areas of units find a space that it just fits in then if it scatters it has to scatter along way to get the whole spod in a different space .
oh and it gives good cover.
http://youtu.be/eJzZcekdKPk (my pod vid)

So like a drop pod but with bigger gunz, I can dig it

Forge world has a wonderful mycetic spore cast that they don't make any more, usually $20 or so on eBay.

Verthane wrote:
Forge world has a wonderful mycetic spore cast that they don't make any more, usually $20 or so on eBay.

Forgeworld never made a mycetic spore, so anyone selling them on ebay as Forgeworld OOP models are, well, lying.

The only 'spores' Forgeworld ever made were Meiotic Spores, which are super spore mines, and still available.

There's plenty of alternatives, however. I like maxminis.




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Thatguyhsagun wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Do not build your army under the assumption that Tyranids are an assault army.

While they have some very nasty assault units that hit like a ton of bricks, they're actually a short ranged combat army. They have plentiful anti infantry and anti armour capability at 18"-24", with a few guns extending to 48".

Use them. If you try to build your bugs as purely assault, you're going to run into a lot of problems.

See back in 4th they excelled in assault. I had 3-4 30 unit hormagaunt swarms, a 60 man termaguant and a couple dozen geanstealers and could dominate.

Even in 4th edition, you the army used a lot of short ranged shooting. Devourers, Fleshborers, Deathspitters, etc.

I never said Tyranids can't do well in assault - I actually said the opposite. They have always been an army that is very, very mean in assault. But it's not an assault army, it's a short ranged army. Short ranged weapons to soften up targets, longer ranged weapons to damage killy backfield enemy units, etc. There are armies that can build solely around assault, but Tyranids aren't one of them, and nver really have been. It's just a weird misconception the army has built up due to having a large amount of units that absolutely destroy in assault. Those units really do need the short ranged support though.

 -Loki- wrote:

Verthane wrote:
Forge world has a wonderful mycetic spore cast that they don't make any more, usually $20 or so on eBay.

Forgeworld never made a mycetic spore, so anyone selling them on ebay as Forgeworld OOP models are, well, lying.

Wow, I got suckered then. :(

Here is a link to someone else selling the ones I use, and also claiming they are forge world.

http://www.cadwallon.com/shop/forgeworld/tyranids-fw/tyranid-brood-nest-mycetic-spore-pod-detail

Verthane wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

Verthane wrote:
Forge world has a wonderful mycetic spore cast that they don't make any more, usually $20 or so on eBay.

Forgeworld never made a mycetic spore, so anyone selling them on ebay as Forgeworld OOP models are, well, lying.

Wow, I got suckered then. :(

Here is a link to someone else selling the ones I use, and also claiming they are forge world.

http://www.cadwallon.com/shop/forgeworld/tyranids-fw/tyranid-brood-nest-mycetic-spore-pod-detail

That is a Forgeworld product, but it is not a Mycetic Spore. Don't feel suckered, you did buy an OOP Forgeworld peice (and one I really want for myself). That said, considering they have plentiful supplies of those and other long OOP Forgeworld terrain, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a recast.

It's just not a Mycetic Spore, it's a Hormagaunt Brood Nest, the rules for which were in IA 4 The Anphelion Project.

Works as a decent substitute for a mycetic spore carrying Hormagaunts though.

Ah, nice, thanks for the info.

I use them for Gaunts and Stealers, they seem too small to claim that they dropped in a 'Fex.

Might not be to your budget but the best doom of malantai and pod are from this guy.

http://hydracast.blogspot.com.au/p/drop-spore.html?m=1
http://hydracast.blogspot.com.au/p/hive-lord.html?m=1


As far as 2k point TAC list? I'll have a go

HQ:

Flyrant - wings, x2 devs, 2 bio rolls, hive commander - 285
Flyrant - wings, x2 devs, 2 bio rolls, (war lord) - 260

Elites:

Doom + pod - 130 (take psychic shriek as his power)
Hive guard x2 - 100
Zoanthropes x2 - 120

Troops:

Tervigon - x3 biomancy rolls - 190
Termagants x10 - 50
Tervigon - x3 biomancy rolls - 190
Termagants x10 - 50

Fast attack:

Gargoyles x15 - TS, AG - 120

Heavy support:

Trygon - TS - 210
Trygon - TS - 210
Biovores x2 - 90

Not sure how much this would cost in USD but this list has pretty much all situations covered.

Oh and grab another 30 gants for each tervigon in your list to spawn.

I wouldn't put the Doom in a TAC list, It's a fun unit to throw in lists occasionally, but once people know you have it, it's not hard to mitigate damage.

Also, with two Flyrants with twin Devourers and a pair of Trygons and a pair of Tervigons, I'd argue the inclusion of Hive Guard. They do one thing, and you have 6 other things that can do it well in 6th. Trygons and Tervigons can easily catch vehicles in assault these days thanks to tanks slowing down considerably, and the Flyrants will very nicely take care of anything short of AV14, even if they have to shoot them in the ass. If in dire need, one can drop into Glide and Smash a tank.

I'd drop the Hive Guard, Doom and spore and spend the 100pts on something else. 230 points will get you some nice things, even in the Tyranid codex.

Gargoyles why oh why would you destroy such a strong list . Oh dear......

 -Loki- wrote:
I wouldn't put the Doom in a TAC list, It's a fun unit to throw in lists occasionally, but once people know you have it, it's not hard to mitigate damage.

Also, with two Flyrants with twin Devourers and a pair of Trygons and a pair of Tervigons, I'd argue the inclusion of Hive Guard. They do one thing, and you have 6 other things that can do it well in 6th. Trygons and Tervigons can easily catch vehicles in assault these days thanks to tanks slowing down considerably, and the Flyrants will very nicely take care of anything short of AV14, even if they have to shoot them in the ass. If in dire need, one can drop into Glide and Smash a tank.

I'd drop the Hive Guard, Doom and spore and spend the 100pts on something else. 230 points will get you some nice things, even in the Tyranid codex.

Hive guard are nice against jinking skimmers although in my list I usually just include more Zoanthropes so I tend to agree with you but he wanted a TAC list and most people rave about Hive Guard so I thought wth and Doom is for the gambling man

 aceface wrote:
Gargoyles why oh why would you destroy such a strong list . Oh dear......

Hammer of wrath and Str 4 on the charge, auto wound on rolls of 6s to hit, wound on 4+, rerolls against same str or lower and can screen your flyrants at 3 points a pop more then Termagants.. they're also very fast.