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So I was playing against a local gamer today and came across an issue.

So here is the setup:

1. We have an open topped vehicle with 5 units inside.
2. The open topped vehicle takes a penetrating hit from a AP 2 weapon and rolls a 4.
3. The vehicle explodes. NOW this is where it was fuzzy. I went back and read the rules and I know the first mistake but here is how he claimed.
4. I told him he needed to take a pinning test as a reminder and he took it on the spot, but I believe he should have gone to damage of the unit first according to the rules. He passed this pinning test.
5. He lost 4/5 models from the explosion.
6. I said kindly don't you need to take a moral check due to 25% loss in the squad, the person said no because you never make more than one leadership check in a turn referring to taking the pinning test.
NOTE: Insane Heroism requirement of under 25% of original squad only applies if he was already Falling Back correct? he would have had to pass a normal leadership correct (This is for moral, his pinning I know that it's normal since it is a leadership check)?

Is #6 correct in this sequence, I know that he should have technically done explosion results on the crew first but I'm unsure about this double leadership check, I looked at BRB rules for moral and didn't find this rule but maybe I'm missing is.
I also was unsure because I thought pinning tests and moral checks are two different things not triggering any form of double checking. The only way I could see this is if his dice rolls for pinning would be at the end of the phase, thus the roll satisfies both which seems silly?
The only other loophole I could see is that the unit is "fearless" for being inside a transport when it is destroyed? Though I'm unsure this applies since their transport explodes.

Thanks again dakkians! I tried to cover my basis so this wasn't you telling me the BRB, which I see simple answers being given to simple rules that are easy to find in the BRB

Your correct in 4 that technically you should resolve the Explosion first and any surviving models must then take a Pinning test (p80). The order is pretty important, because a leader might be one of the casualties and that affects the Pinning test you have to take.

The Morale Test due to Casualties is taken at the end of the Shooting phase (p29)

I am not familiar with a rule that says you only have to take one Leadership test per turn - I think he made that up, but I might be wrong.

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The thing is you only take one morale check from losses incurred during a single shooting phase, at the end of the shooting phase
a Pinning test is a Ld test, but NOT a Morale test, a pinned unit can run away at the end of the shooting phase

Perfect, thanks to everyone who posted, I thought this was the case and I need to be more verbal at challenging fishy stuff. I haven't dealt with pinning and moral enough to be this confident though and since a small child destroyed my rule book, I've been lax at challenging since other people have theirs.

Snapshot wrote:
Your correct in 4 that technically you should resolve the Explosion first and any surviving models must then take a Pinning test (p80). The order is pretty important, because a leader might be one of the casualties and that affects the Pinning test you have to take.

I thought about this but then realized since he's pulling them out of the transport, wound allocation would almost never hit a leader since he can make the leader die last, I don't see why he wouldn't.

TanKoL wrote:
The thing is you only take one morale check from losses incurred during a single shooting phase, at the end of the shooting phase
a Pinning test is a Ld test, but NOT a Morale test, a pinned unit can run away at the end of the shooting phase

correct, but just to add to it,

if you take 25% casualties in the movement phase you also take a test (look where the rules are for 25% shooting casualties, and it says in shoot, or move phase)

so max one 25% casualty test at the end of movement,

max one casualty test at end of shooting,

and you can be forced to take more then one pinning check if they have more then one pinning unit inflicting casualties on you

As an aside - if you do not believe a rule is correct (they are making it up, whatever) the burden of proof is on the person stating the rule. If it was on the other person, they would have to go through every book, including the opponents FAQ and codex in order to show a rule that states inverse(X) - which is impossible in most cases (Like yours - there is nothing that states that you are not limited to the number of morale checks a turn - thereby making your opponent correct).

Where as if you are trying to PROVE a rule - you should easily be able to look up, go 'Here is where is says X' and unless you find a contradiction to X (like in a codex or FAQ), X stands.

So in the future - if you feel someone is cheating/making stuff up/being a spanker....just say 'Show me where it says that.'. Failure on their part to prove their rule (either through the books or TO), means there ruling does not stand.