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By ANNA WILDE MATHEWS and LOUISE RADNOFSKY
Health insurers are privately warning brokers that premiums for many individuals and small businesses could increase sharply next year because of the health-care overhaul law, with the nation's biggest firm projecting that rates could more than double for some consumers buying their own plans.

The projections, made in sessions with brokers and agents, provide some of the most concrete evidence yet of how much insurance companies might increase prices when major provisions of the law kick in next year—a subject of rigorous debate.


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UnitedHealth Group, the nation's largest carrier, and other health insurers said premiums for some individuals and small businesses could rise.
.The projected increases are at odds with what the Obama Administration says consumers should be expecting overall in terms of cost. The Department of Health and Human Services says that the law will "make health-care coverage more affordable and accessible," pointing to a 2009 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office that says average individual premiums, on an apples-to-apples basis, would be lower.

The gulf between the pricing talk from some insurers and the government projections suggests how complicated the law's effects will be. Carriers will be filing proposed prices with regulators over the next few months.

Part of the murkiness stems from the role of government subsidies. Federal subsidies under the health law will help lower-income consumers defray costs, but they are generally not included in insurers' premium projections. Many consumers will be getting more generous plans because of new requirements in the law. The effects of the law will vary widely, and insurers and other analysts agree that some consumers and small businesses will likely see premiums go down.

Starting next year, the law will block insurers from refusing to sell coverage or setting premiums based on people's health histories, and will reduce their ability to set rates based on age. That can raise coverage prices for younger, healthier consumers, while reining them in for older, sicker ones. The rules can also affect small businesses, which sometimes pay premiums tied to employees' health status and claims history.

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.The law's 2014 effect on larger companies is likely to be more limited. Many of the big changes coming next year won't touch them as directly as individual consumers and small businesses, though some will have to grapple with the cost of covering more workers or paying a penalty.

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..The possibility of higher premiums has become the latest focal point of the political tussle over the health law, which marks its third anniversary Saturday. Republican lawmakers have held hearings on the issue, and six GOP members of the House Energy and Commerce committee wrote last week to more than a dozen insurers asking them to turn over internal analyses on the law's impact on premiums and costs.

The insurance industry has also been talking publicly about big potential premium increases in lobbying for tweaks to the law.

The individual market includes about 15 million people, and around 18% of the roughly 149 million with employer coverage were at small companies, according to 2011 figures from the Kaiser Family Foundation. The individual market is expected to grow to around 35 million people by 2016 as a result of the law.

In a private presentation to brokers late last month, UnitedHealth Group Inc., UNH +0.33%the nation's largest carrier, said premiums for some consumers buying their own plans could go up as much as 116%, and small-business rates as much as 25% to 50%. The company said the estimates were driven in part by growing medical costs not directly tied to the law. It also cited the law's requirements that health status not affect rates and that plans include certain minimum benefits and limits to out-of-pocket charges, among other things.

Jeff Alter, who leads UnitedHealth's employer and individual insurance business, said the numbers represented a "high-end scenario," not an average. "There are some scenarios in which a member could see as much as a 116% increase or over," he said, though others, such as some older consumers, could see decreases. He said the company dwelled on the possible increases because it was trying to prepare brokers to speak with clients facing big jumps.

Other carriers have also projected steep rate increases during private meetings and conversations with brokers. Brokers say they are being told to prepare the marketplace for small-business and individual rate increases as carriers get ready to file specific rate proposals and plan designs with regulators.

Insurers are "not being shy that premiums are going to increase in 2014," and are urging brokers to "brace our clients," said John Lacy, vice president of group benefits at Bouchard Insurance, a brokerage in Clearwater, Fla. His firm has been hearing from carrier representatives that individual premiums in Florida could go up 35% to 50%, on average, and small-business rates around 30%, though it hopes to find strategies to blunt the impact.

Aetna Inc., AET +0.42%in a presentation last fall to its national broker advisory council, suggested rates on individual plans not being grandfathered under the law could go up 55%, on average, and gave a figure of 29% for small business rates. Both numbers included 10 percentage points tied to medical-cost inflation, not the law. An Aetna spokesman said the numbers are "still generally in line with what we've been estimating," and represented the average impact in a typical state.

An official with Blue Cross & Blue Shield of North Carolina told a gathering of brokers last week that individual premiums could go up by as much as 40% to 50%, according to brokers who were present. A spokeswoman for the insurer said "we don't have final numbers" yet on premiums.

There has long been debate, even among insurance experts, over how the law will affect premiums. Because the effect is likely to vary, different measurements can arrive at different conclusions. The CBO analysis cited by the administration determined that average premiums for consumers who buy their own coverage would be 14% to 20% lower because of the law—if the law didn't change the types of plans they purchased.

But the CBO also suggested the law would lead to consumers buying more expensive plans, largely because it requires coverage to include certain benefits and limit charges such as deductibles. When this effect was taken into account, the average premiums would go up 10% to 13%, the agency said, though subsidies would ease the bite for most people. The agency also said small-business policies were likely to cost within a few percentage points of the amount they would have without the law.

Health and Human Services officials say competition among insurers, as well as provisions to limit their financial risk from attracting high-cost consumers, will exert downward pressure on premiums, and point to the tax subsidies that will limit many consumers' costs.

Subsidies will be available on a sliding scale for people with incomes of up to four times the federal poverty level—currently $45,960 for a single person and $94,200 a year for a family of four. More than half of the 35 million people expected to be in the individual market by 2016 are likely to qualify for credits. People whose incomes are around the poverty level could see almost all of the cost of their insurance subsidized, while people at the upper end will get only a small discount toward their premiums.


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What did you expect from the legislation that no one seemed to know the details of, but told the public they'd just have to pass it into law to see what it contained?

 
   
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So "some" costs for individual and small business plans are rising and we are pretending that "everybody" is going to pay more?

   
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 d-usa wrote:
So "some" costs for individual and small business plans are rising and we are pretending that "everybody" is going to pay more?


Eh... depends... I think it may make the other carriers increase the rates and justify it due to the ACA bill.

If nothing else, it'll make the Democrat (and that one GOP voter) look bad in '14.

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Because insurers weren't all raising premiums in collusion prior to ACA...

When I first came to the states I remember clearly watching the news as a man in California pointed out that his premiums had increased by 40% in the last year and on shopping around they'd all gone up.



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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Because insurers weren't all raising premiums in collusion prior to ACA...

I find it hard to believe there were collusion...

Did on know most insurances set their reimbursement rate close to what Medicare/medicaid pays? Kinda hard to "collude" in this manner when you have the USofA essentially practicing price-fixing.

When I first came to the states I remember clearly watching the news as a man in California pointed out that his premiums had increased by 40% in the last year and on shopping around they'd all gone up.

The average is about 10%, give or take, nationally... that's generally bad because it exceeds inflation.

I seriously doubt pre-ACA that the 40% is the norm nationally. But, then again, he's in California... are you surprised? Did California pass some laws that drives up the price?

State healthcare and government regulation of insurance. Get this over and done with.

I'm ready... you?

I'm curious... has anyone seen estimates of what it'll cost/gain for nationalizing just the insurance side (ie, just offer Medicare to everyone)??

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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Because insurers weren't all raising premiums in collusion prior to ACA...

When I first came to the states I remember clearly watching the news as a man in California pointed out that his premiums had increased by 40% in the last year and on shopping around they'd all gone up.



State healthcare and government regulation of insurance. Get this over and done with.

Well, if you saw an anecdote on TV about it, clearly it must be the case nationwide. Had he just turned 60? Did he recently take up smoking or base jumping?
   
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Wait, Insurance companies are going to find a reason to raise premium rates! Say it ain't so!


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 Easy E wrote:
Wait, Insurance companies are going to find a reason to raise premium rates! Say it ain't so!


Yeup. Also, this... I'm trying to find the article, but the ACA caps the profit margins for insurance co., the weird thing here is that most companies don't even reach that cap. Hence... you know the story.

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 whembly wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Wait, Insurance companies are going to find a reason to raise premium rates! Say it ain't so!


Yeup. Also, this... I'm trying to find the article, but the ACA caps the profit margins for insurance co., the weird thing here is that most companies don't even reach that cap. Hence... you know the story.


Would it be too easy for me to take a swipe at ACA by suggesting it is better for the insurance companies than for the plebs?

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 daedalus wrote:
Would it be too easy for me to take a swipe at ACA by suggesting it is better for the insurance companies than for the plebs?


Seeing as Insurers can no longer deny coverage, no. It wouldn't be easy. They're probably gonna lose more than they get from ACA. Big pharma was the big winner.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
Would it be too easy for me to take a swipe at ACA by suggesting it is better for the insurance companies than for the plebs?


Seeing as Insurers can no longer deny coverage, no. It wouldn't be easy. They're probably gonna lose more than they get from ACA. Big pharma was the big winner.

Yeah... Big Pharma was one of the big industries to help push the passage of ACA. The Democrats promised Big Pharma not to use price controls to lower drug costs and cut drug company profits and in return for helping out with an $80/100 billion(?) contribution to ACA. Or... something like that... abject cronyism if you ask me.

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 whembly wrote:
Yeup. Also, this... I'm trying to find the article, but the ACA caps the profit margins for insurance co., the weird thing here is that most companies don't even reach that cap. Hence... you know the story.


What's weirder is that despite that being true, insurance companies are gnashing and wailing their teeth and predicting bankruptcy because the 85% requirement is so impossible to reach.

So really, at this point I can't help but think most of these articles (pro and con) are utter bs, written by people with close connections to lobby groups or the Democrats or Republicans themselves.


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 daedalus wrote:
Would it be too easy for me to take a swipe at ACA by suggesting it is better for the insurance companies than for the plebs?


It may be easy, but it isn't true. There are lots of ways that one could argue that ACA is bad for everyone, or that there are groups that do benefit considerably from it (pharmaceuticals). But as a good deal for insurance companies? No, that's not even slightly sensible.

When, as an industry, you lose the ability for admin & profit expenses to exceed 15% of total premiums, and you lose the ability to reject a person who's got a pre-existing condition (and so you know they're going to pay in way more than they pay out)... then you've got a deal that is straight up bad for your bottom line.

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