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I would like for every wolf brother or not to point out the most nasty wolf list there is

is it for objective games or just to annihilate the enemy?

I'm sure it's not the best list at 1850 , because that depends on a lot of things. But I like this list.

Wolf Priest
Rune Priest

10 GH + 2xPlasmaguns, Wolf Standard, MotW,
10 GH + 2xMeltaguns, Wolf Standard, MotW, Drop Pod
10 GH + 2xMeltaguns, Wolf Standard, MotW, Drop Pod
10 GH + 2xPlasmaguns, Wolf Standard, MotW, Drop Pod

5 TWC + 2xStorm Sheilds, Power Fist

Land Raider Redeemer + Multimelta
5 Long Fangs + 4 ML's
5 Long Fangs + 4 ML's

the land raider for what purpose

IIRC WP allows the unit he joins to outflank...

If not, Im pretty sure he act as a chaplain.

Well, you asked for the nastiest Wolf List. Here's something I think would be brutal (I'm at work, so I'm just going to guess at points costs) at 1850, this is a template, modify to flavor
SW

HQ:
1 RP (110-130 depending on Flavor)

Elite:
7 Wolf Guard with combi plasma and DP (196)
Lone Wolf: TDA, SS, CF (85, or add a Wolf and make him 95)

Troops:
2 GH packs with 2 Plasmas, WS, MOTW, DP (430)

IG
HQ: Lord Commissar

Troops:
IG Guard Platoon: Two Squads, kitted out to Preference
Spend as many points as possible on Sabres

Fast Attack:
One Vendetta (130)

Heavy Support
1 Vulture with Punisher Cannon (150 or 155, IA Aeronautica is at home, haha)

Fortifications:
Skyshield Landing Pad


Put the Rune Priest with the blob, use it to bubble wrap things or camp an objective. Prescience plus + six million shots
Put the Lord Commissar with the Sabres, on the Skyshield, with the Manticore.
Put the Lone Wolf under the Skyshield, anything that gets close, he tarpits.
Drop the Wolf Guard squad on somehting scary and kill it.
Drop the Grey Hunters on objectives, line breaker, distraction, use them to tar pit, etc
Kill things with Vendetta
Kill things, oh so many things, with the Vulture.

Edit: Just realized you wanted 1850. Dropped a Manticore.

I know this list i am not in the idea to spend an amound of money in IG BUT I LIKE IT

If going all Wolves, I think your best bet would be something like this (this is basically what I run, although you could swap Rhinos for DPs, which is the common wisdom, that I disagree with)

HQ:
Rune Priest (chooser, runic armor, codex powers) 130
Rune Priest (chooser, div) 110

Elite:
WG (four combi meltas, one PA): DP 155
Lone WOlf (TDA, CF, Wolf) 95

Troops:
8 GHs (Plasma, WS, Rhino) 175 (RP and Axe WG go here)
10 GHs (Plas Plas, WS, MOTW, Rhino) 220
10 GHs (Plas Plas, WS, Axe, Rhino) 220
10 GHs (Flamer, Flamer, WS, MOTW, Rhino) 210

Heavy Support:

6 Long Fangs (4 ML, 1LC) 155

Fast Attack:

4 Hyperios (4 ML) 140
4 Hyperios (4 ML) 140

Aegis with QG 100

1850 on the dot. Plenty of troops, plenty of flexibility. Div RP mans the QG behind the Aegis with LFs and one Hyperios battery. Other battery goes in the corner somewhere for a different firing angle. GHs take objectives. Lone Wolf tarpits something or meets a land raider half way. Other RP shoots LL at stuff or JOTW, he has a WG with him to eat challenges. Melta squad suicides something scary to death.

Runs basically the same with DPs instead of Rhinos.

 Dreal wrote:
the land raider for what purpose

To be nearly invulnerable, to transport the extra squad with the WP, to have the S6 AP3 ignores cover flame templates and to use as a shield for my TWC to hide behind.


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anonymou5 wrote:
If going all Wolves, I think your best bet would be something like this (this is basically what I run, although you could swap Rhinos for DPs, which is the common wisdom, that I disagree with)

Spoiler:

HQ:
Rune Priest (chooser, runic armor, codex powers) 130
Rune Priest (chooser, div) 110

Elite:
WG (four combi meltas, one PA): DP 155
Lone WOlf (TDA, CF, Wolf) 95

Troops:
8 GHs (Plasma, WS, Rhino) 175 (RP and Axe WG go here)
10 GHs (Plas Plas, WS, MOTW, Rhino) 220
10 GHs (Plas Plas, WS, Axe, Rhino) 220
10 GHs (Flamer, Flamer, WS, MOTW, Rhino) 210

Heavy Support:

6 Long Fangs (4 ML, 1LC) 155

Fast Attack:

4 Hyperios (4 ML) 140
4 Hyperios (4 ML) 140

Aegis with QG 100

1850 on the dot. Plenty of troops, plenty of flexibility. Div RP mans the QG behind the Aegis with LFs and one Hyperios battery. Other battery goes in the corner somewhere for a different firing angle. GHs take objectives. Lone Wolf tarpits something or meets a land raider half way. Other RP shoots LL at stuff or JOTW, he has a WG with him to eat challenges. Melta squad suicides something scary to death.

Runs basically the same with DPs instead of Rhinos.

What is a "Hyperios?" Is it lmperial Armor?

 Grugknuckle wrote:

What is a "Hyperios?" Is it lmperial Armor?

Hyperios Platform from Imperial Armor and Aeronautica. Automated Artillery. It's essentially a krak missle launcher with interceptor and skyfire that can't move (ironic that it's fast attack) You run four platforms, each has two wounds with a 3+ (and either t6 or t7 depending on what order the FAQ versus the Imperial Aeronautica came out. I'll admit I have no idea, I just started messing around with FW stuff).

It, along with the Sabre Platform (for IG) are going to be seen in a lot of tourney lists.

I cant use in my tourn fw so i will go with LF ?

Logan
Njal

60 x Wolfguard with Combi-weapons - your choice. 1440
6 x Drop pods...

If you want drop a couple Wolffguard to add longfangs or dreadnoughts... Very painful.

DAaddict wrote:
Logan
Njal

60 x Wolfguard with Combi-weapons - your choice. 1440
6 x Drop pods...

If you want drop a couple Wolffguard to add longfangs or dreadnoughts... Very painful.

Logan Wing combi bomb is nasty (although has some serious hard counters)

I'd add in a LF squad with MM and PC, with a TDAWG with Cyclone, and Logan in a pod. That's a serious bomb coming down, with split fire and relentless.

I am afraid that in papers seems strong but in table not so sure

 Dreal wrote:
I am afraid that in papers seems strong but in table not so sure

I've been working on a combi bomb list for a while, I don't think I'd ever run it in a tourney. Too many hard counters, too many things that can go wrong. But hey, you know if you won your game or not by the end of turn 1!

As for your question earlier, if you can't run FW, yeah, replace the Hyperios with LF. Same points costs, gain a ML, maneuverability, assault, and split fire, lose interceptor/skyfire and some durability. Long Fangs are still amazing, it's just that the Hyperios Platforms are borderline broken.

that my point is list is a bit of risk and if you play against flyer army like my meta you see that this is difficult

Anonymou5 and I discussed ways to deal with fliers using SW. The best way is to ally in Guard, but failing that allying in C:SM works too.
You can grab a Stormraven and a Stormtalon with the investment of 100pts for a librarian and 75pts for a scout sqaud. You don't lose the SW flavour either.

 Dreal wrote:
that my point is list is a bit of risk and if you play against flyer army like my meta you see that this is difficult

Combi bomb is actually really good against fliers (minus the Helldrake and it's shoot behind itself shennaigans). Your entire Army is in their deployment zone.

But yeah, as Griddelol mentions above me, if you don't have FW, the only real counter to the Helldrake is allies (although I insist that BA could work too)

In my meta I co across the 3 dragons comdo or 5 scyth so to take a flyer it comes a bit short to do the jod

I'm sure English isn't your first language, but could you be a little more clear? I had trouble understanding your previous post, sorry.

 Dreal wrote:
In my meta I co across the 3 dragons comdo or 5 scyth so to take a flyer it comes a bit short to do the jod

Two Vendettas are actually going to beat three Helldrakes in the air, it's just a question of how much of your Army survives while it is going on. You have to use smart ground maneuver at the same time you engage the Drakes.

Five Night Scythes? Not as scary as three Drakes, I've managed to beat NS lists without an air presence at all. The real utility to the NS is its ability to put Troops anywhere on hte board, they aren't the omg murder machines that Helldrakes are.

I still struggle with flyers but I will try it

Heres a 2000pt I just built to be very in your face type of list. To drop it to 1850 drop a TWC squad and make the existing TWC have 4 thunderwolves instead of 3 so then you have 15pts left for whatever you want to add.



Wolf lord 225pts
Runic armor
TH/SS
Thunderwolf Mount

Elites

Wolf Guard 250pts
x5 termie armor
x4 combi plasma
Cyclone missile
Pod

Troops

Grey hunters 215pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey hunters 215pts
x10
x2 melta guns
Wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey Hunters 220pts
x10
x2 plasma guns
wolf standard
MotW
Pod

Grey Hunters 220
x10
x2 plasma guns
wolf standard
MotW
Pod


Fast Attack

TWC 210pts (Lord will ride with one of these squads of Cavalry)
x3 Cavalry
#1 with power fist
#2 with SS
#3 with melta bombs

TWC 210pts (same as above)

Heavy Support

Long fangs 115pts
x5
x4 missile launchers

Long fangs 115pts
x5
x4 missile launchers

i see that with this list you dont care about flyers i like it

I have seen the last list work well many times. I have seen it mutate into dropping the TWC and running an allies detatchment of IG for the large footprint of bodies and superior cheap flyer. I think for somewhere around 1000 points you can get a RP 3 squads of GH with choice loadout and DP and 2 units of LF. Not sure what the MotW is though as I'm not in possesion of a SW codex.

Basically with that list it is supposed to hit your opponent fast and hard. It allows me to get close fast enough to possibly negate flyer heavy lists as they wont be able to come in at good enough of an angle to be able to fire. If you control the ground good enough then you shouldnt have to worry about the flyers to much.

Agreed ^^

I like it