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The new pink horrors have some nice firepower at their fingertips, but what I wanna know is if, when you cast the Flickering Fire, you have only 1 model that can see the enemy, do you grant the enemy target a cover save since the other models from the firing unit cannot see the target? The reason I'm asking is because a normal unit shooting at something would grant it a cover save if only a single model in the firing unit sees the target as 25% obscured.

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The other models aren't shooting. You just designate one model as the origin point for the psychic power.

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 Mannahnin wrote:
The other models aren't shooting. You just designate one model as the origin point for the psychic power.


They all do count as shooting though for any purposes the whole units has already shot their 1 shooting attack.

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2 different answers that both sound right to me..which is why we rolled off today, but I'd really like a definitive answer I'm leaning toward granting cover because of the normal shooting rules but if someone has any rules they can point at or some precedence I'd really appreciate it

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Frankly, it isn't covered - it's a hell of an oversight.
The Brotherhood rule states that the entire unit is a Psyker, but doesn't state how to resolve line of sight, or whether particular models are considered the firing model.
The Psyker rules - and Witchfire in particular - tell us that you check for line of sight from the Psyker (which we've established is the unit) and that it's considered a shooting attack with normal saves allowed, cover included.

Where this goes wrong is, there are no rules to tell us what to do when firing from multiple models - because the unit *IS* the Psyker per RAW, this is what the power is asking us to do.

Per strict RAW, the closest you could have is to take a majority check for line of sight and in this case the target would get cover. However, I would (and have) played it as choosing a single model to fire the power as it's just frankly easier and quicker that way.

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I think the easiest way to resolve is to use precedent - Psyker Battle Squad (IG). Controlling player may measure range and line of sight from any Sanctioned Psyker model when resolving psychic powers.

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On review I agree that the actual rule for BoS is vague and incomplete. The IG psyker battle squad is the closest similar unit, so it's reasonable as a precedent. That's probably where so many of us are getting the idea that the rule clearly states to pick one model, which BoS actually doesn't.

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 Mannahnin wrote:
On review I agree that the actual rule for BoS is vague and incomplete. The IG psyker battle squad is the closest similar unit, so it's reasonable as a precedent. That's probably where so many of us are getting the idea that the rule clearly states to pick one model, which BoS actually doesn't.


A more current example might be Paladins, which specifically nominate one model to shoot the Psy-power and the rest can still shoot other weapons.
   
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My recommendation would be, since the unit uses the Ld of the character (if there is one) and Perils of the Warp happen to the character (if there is one), then LoS should similarly be measured from the character (if there is one). Basically, whoever's Ld and Perils of the Warp are applied to, that should be your LoS character.

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Hmm, I have been playing it as the squad do their powers and roll for perils themselves using their LD and the character if any does his one seperate, havent got the BRB on me but will check later.

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