Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So my question is does the model shooting a blast template(a plasma cannon for example) need line of sight in order to hurt what the template lands on since it's a direct shot? For example, say we're shooting a plasma cannon at a rhino, right on the other side of the rhino out of sight of the plasma cannon is a squad of marines. The template is on the rhino but is also hitting the marines. Do the marines still get hit by the template even though the plasma cannon can not see the marines?

You can wound models out of line of sight with a blast template but those wounds go into the wound pool and are are subject to Out of sight as they are shooting attacks. This allows you to hit models in a unit out of LOS but kill the ones you can actually see.

That it is a blast weapon doesn't remove the general restrictions of shooting.

Afaik, you just have to have los to the spot/model you are aiming at.
Then you fire and you hit under the blast, even models that you can not see.
This happens also if you scatter beyond range/los (i think even the rules underline this thing, but I haven't the brb on hand right now)

In order to allocate wounds to a model you have to have someone in the firing unit have los to that model

Nos has it. Once the wounds go into the pool it doesn't matter which exact model fired, as long as the unit has line of sight. The same goes for range.

So I'm confused, say the blast does 3 wounds to the marines but not even one marine can be seen by the the shooting squad. Even though the wounds happened, since none are in los are the wounds just ignored or do the marines take cover saves?

If you cannot allocate the wounds in the wound pool, they get discarded.

Dawnofthedoug wrote:
So I'm confused, say the blast does 3 wounds to the marines but not even one marine can be seen by the the shooting squad. Even though the wounds happened, since none are in los are the wounds just ignored or do the marines take cover saves?

So if you've got LoS to squad A, you shoot at A but scatter onto B (which you do not have LoS to), then any wounds will be lost as they cannot be allocated.
If you shoot at squad C (which you have LoS to, say, five out of ten models) and scatter onto models in squad C you cannot see, the wounds will be resolved against models in squad C that you have LoS to (in the same way as normal shooting - closest model first)

Out of Sight, page 16 states this very, very clearly

 liturgies of blood wrote:
You can wound models out of line of sight

While the rest of your post was correct, this statement isn't.

You can wound units out of line of sight, not models.

Sorry my bad.

rigeld2 wrote:

 liturgies of blood wrote:
You can wound models out of line of sight

While the rest of your post was correct, this statement isn't.

You can wound units out of line of sight, not models.

Even that's not strictly true. For full disclosure:

You can hit and wound units that are out of sight and range of the firing model. However, if that unit is out of line of sight of any models in the firing *unit*, you can't allocate those wounds - per the FAQ. You can also only allocate wounds to those models from that unit that are in line of sight of your firing unit.
This of course means you can hit and wound (and allocate to) models in a unit that are out of line of sight and range, as long as someone in your unit still has line of sight.

Last night I was playing against someone and my Monolith shot, the blast scattered the full distance and hit some guys and a Rhino that was behind LOS blocking terrain. I wasn't able to allocate any wounds to the guys because I couldn't see any one from that unit. However, I couldn't see the Rhino either and we couldn't find anything clear in the BRB about blasts scattering to hit vehicles out of LOS. We weren't sure how to play it so we decided it didn't do anything to the vehicle. It wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game either way.

Aycee

There are things in the brb about what happens when you cannot see any of the armour in the arc you are in. It maybe a 3+ coversave against it iirc.

It is +1 to the cover save you would have gotten if the facing could have been seen. 3+ is the old 5th edition rule

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is +1 to the cover save you would have gotten if the facing could have been seen. 3+ is the old 5th edition rule

Thanks. You'd be shocked how little it comes up in my games.