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Here is my current list

Lord, MoN-80

Plague Marines (4+1Champ), 2 PG, Rhino-185x6=1110

Havocs, 4 AC-115x2=230

ADL, Icarus LC-85 (lord goes here with havocs)

total 1505

I use to play with a hell drake but now it is not enough and it always gets destroyed on arrival. I chose to give my PM plasma guns for the Ap2 to deal with termi decently. My friend uses Belial and likes storm shields. Even with plasma guns, I have a tough time killing them. Soon, my friend will buy either Azrael or Sammael so that he can be faster.

I do not really know how to kill termi TH/SS and still be able to kill fast jet/bikes. Any suggestions?

Sigh...no help to be gotten...

What is the best way to deal with TH/SS besides avoiding them?

Minor tweek

Lord, MoN-80

Hellbrute, Plasma Cannon-105 (want the ap2 blast template)
Hellbrute, Plasma Cannon-105 (I do not plan on buying Fiends but I do have 2 dreadnaughts)

4 Squads of 5 Plague Marines
2 PG, Rhino-185x5=740

8 Havocs, 4 LC-200 (Since LC cost more, I chose to reinforce them with more bodies. Is that a bad idea?)
7 Havocs, 4 LC-185 (should I be taking las cannon predators instead?)

ADL, Icarus LC-85

Total=1500

Which Unit of Chaos Space Marine can slay Terminator w/ TH/SS in close combat very well but cost less than a terminator?

I have only tried Abaddon, and he does the job exceptionally well but once I run out of Champions to circumvent the challenges, he wastes his attacks.

If terminators only get 1 attack after a charge (2nd round), then I think I want to bog them down with 30 cultists. At the moment I only have 10 cultists.

I wish I had something cheap as genestealers that have rending.

His list from what I remember is

Belial

Termi x5, 4 TH/SS, (Sergent no upgrade)
Termi x5, 4 TH/SS, (Sergent no upgrade)

Termi x5, 1 Plasma Cannon, 2 TH/SS
Termi x5, 1 Plasma Cannon, 2 TH/SS

Tac Squad x10, PG, Missile w/ Flakk upgrade
Tac Squad x10, PG, Missile w/ Flakk upgrade

ADL, Icarus LC

He splits his 10 men Tac squads into combat squads. He would flank his ADL so that the 2 missile squads can deploy on top of a building to provide coverage where his Icarus Cannon can not see. The ADL is manned by 1 Tac squad while the 4th is nearby trying to claim the closest objective. The ADL is sometimes also guarded by 1 Termi squad with a plasma cannon. The other 3 would deepstrike next to objectives and he would also chase me down with the slow moving terminators.

Is it possible to for him to have 4 squads of 5 tacs from 2 squads of 10 tacs using combat squad rule and give them each a missile launcher and flakk because of the Dark Angel rules? He has not done that but I am afraid he would if he could.

He wants to eventually play at 2k by adding 500pts of fast attack because his current list is too slow. I think the deep striking is fast enough because he does not scatter and he can choose to arrive turn 2.

I only have 1 drake, but even if I bring more, he can easily shoot them down when he rewrites his list with more flakk by switching out Tacs for scouts and just using 2 teams of 10 terminators instead. Or he can get the jet fighter to hunt down my Drakes easily. Also the Bale Flamer is not AP2 which means that his terminators will shrug it off.

The only 2 ways I know to eliminate TH/SS is insane volume of fire or high AP. However, I dont think high AP is the way to go anymore because the invul save from a SS is 3++.

If my above list does not work, then I think I might go back to using my Abaddon List which I was terrible at using, but I feel that I might be able to win with so many flame throwers. This time I have 16 flamers which I can equip on to my Chosen.

Abaddon, Chosen+3, 4 flamers, Power Axe (not on Champ), Land Raider, Combi-Melta-684

Chosen, 4 flamers, 1 MeltaGun, Rhino, Combi-melta-165

Chosen, 4 flamer, LC-130

Chosen, 4 flamer, LC-130

CSM+5, 2 Melta guns, Rhino-195
CSM+5, 2 Melta guns, Rhino-195

Total-1499

This list has no anti air defense, so I only would play this against him.

or Should I just switch out strategies all together and just try to out number him with CSM

Lord, ADL, Icarus LC-150 (hangs out with a Havoc Squad)

Hellbrute, Plasma Cannon-105
Hellbrute, Plasma Cannon-105

CSM+5, 2 Meltagun, 10 CCw (trade bolter), VotLW, Melta Bomb, Rhino-200
CSM+5, 2 Meltagun, 10 CCW (trade bolter), VotLW, Melta Bomb, Rhino-200
CSM+5, 2 Meltagun, 10 CCW (trade bolter), VotLW, Melta Bomb, Rhino-200
CSM+5, 2 Meltagun, 10 CCW (trade bolter), VotLW, Rhino-195

Havocs, 4 AC-115
Havocs, 4 AC-115
Havocs, 4 AC-115 (switch this to HB if I play him)

total 1500

I just played against a Belial list in a tournament a few weekends ago, he won but with only two terminators left on the table.

The answer I found is lots of plasma, I had two units of Plague Marines with two plasma, blight grenades help them live longer when they are charged. Chosen with four plasma guns really puts the hurt on them as well.

The other thing which made a mess of them was my defilers in close combat as their powerfists go first. If you have dreads with twin powerfists you could try those.

Oblits could be good as well.