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Hi, My first post on here after reading for a while now. Was wanting to get some feedback on the 1850 points army list i wrote for my Guardians of the Covenant. the idea i have was to Deepstrike all the terms on turn 1 and get the land speeders to just wreak havok on something i dont like the look of while everything else just throws out some support fire across the table.

HQ

Belial, Grand Master of the Deathwing (190pts)
+TH/SS

Deathwing Command Squad (320pts)
+3xTH/SS
+2xLigntning Claws
+Banner of Fortitude (12inch Feel No Pain)

Troops

Deathwing Terminator Squad (235pts)
+3xTH/SS
+2xLigntning Claws

Deathwing Terminator Squad (235pts)
+3xTH/SS
+2xLigntning Claws

Elites

Venerable Dreadnought (145pts)
+TW Autocannon (Left)
+TW Autocannon (Right)

Venerable Dreadnought (145pts)
+TW Autocannon (Left)
+TW Autocannon (Right)

Venerable Dreadnought (145pts)
+TW Autocannon (Left)
+TW Autocannon (Right)


Fast Attack

Ravenwing Support Squadron (240pts)
+4 Land Speeders with 2 Heavy Flamers

Heavy Support

Whirlwind (65pts)

Whirlwind (65pts)

Whirlwind (65pts)

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Any Feed back both good and bad would be appreciated

Thanks

Break the speeders up in to 2 mans or three mans if you can get the points.

I would also do them as typhoons. 150 points for 2 typhoons speeders? Yes please.. Cheaper than any other chapters!

3 whirl winds is too much. You can take a dakka pred for not much more and have alot more use from it over the course of the game.

I would also add a cyclone missilt launcher to each term squad. The guys with the Th/SS can use it which is bonkers!

You also need more scoring units. I could cosider 1-2 cheap tactical squads. At 140 a piece with no upgrapes they are a decent way to get boddies on the board.

The venerable dreads are good, but 3 is alot. If you were GK and they were s8 I would say ok, but S7 is poo.

They are fine at shooting flyers but really are not good at that so I could get some flyer defense in there. Maybe a nehpilim? I know its over priced but can be effective if played properly.

Looks like a good start to me! Maybe drop the DW command squad for another scoring unit of terminators and use the points saved for some of the upgrades I mentioned.

Good Luck!

My answer to this list would be Ravenwing. An all RW army with a couple of BK squads would tear this apart.

If you want to run all assault terminators, you're running the wrong codex for it nowadays. Our terminators are way too expensive to run without using their strengths (TL on DS is a big one).


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Your 235 point plain-jane assault terminator squads are basically the same as vanilla's 200 point assault squads.



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How do you plan to deal with any high AV you face?

The speeder idea sounds pretty good. So does getting some tactical marines to replace a dread just so there is more bodies on the table.

In regards to dealing with high AV targets, i was planning on either just hitting it with hammers or just glancing it to death with the Dreads Autocannons.

i quite like the DW Command squad though just to spread around the Feel No Pain as a couple of bad roles could wipe out the terms, maybe the Feel No Pain would make up for that?

Don't overlook Sword of Silence on Belial. He should have other terms putting storm shields in the way of enemy fire. Sword of Silence makes him a challenge superstar and he'll cut through 3-5 models in an assault before they can even swing. Fleshbane is just so good, especially vs big stuff.