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HQ
Abaddon 265

Elites
Chaos Terms x4 Chainfits and
2 with Combi Melta
2 with Combi Plasma
Aspiring Champ with Lighting Claws
all with MoT 312

Troops
x4 Chosen
2 combi melta
2 combi plasma
Champ with power sword
Rhino 245

x4 Chosen
2 combi melta
2 combi flamer
Champ with power sword
Rhino 245

Cultists
20 1 flamer 1 autogun
1 champ shotgun 106
Cultists
20 autoguns
1 champ 123

Fast Attack
Heldrake 170

I don't know if its better to run with the two chosen squads or ditch them in favor of havocs or normal csm?

chosen are waaayyyyyy over priced for what they do, unless you have a list that revolves specifically around them, then don't do it

chain fists are overpriced to, if anything just have power fist, but instead with abaddon, have it double lightning claw and mos, champ has heavy flamer and power fist ( or pick some random guy )
or just keep double lightning claws and add a melta bomb ( if there is 10 squad then you could have 2 heavy flamers and 2 power fist and 1 melta bomb )


swap chosen for normal marines and if melee go for mos or mok, if shooty go for mon or mos ( for fnp )

cultists are USELESS never upgrade them, they are for point filler or objective holders they are squishier then guardsmen and NEED TO BUY THEIR SIGNATURE GUN ( the auto gun )

i <3 heldrake give it a bale flamer and it will kill everything

if you get havocs get a agis def line and have the sargent shoot the turret

For 1500 points you have 10 power armored bodies, 6 terminator bodies, and 40 T3 paper armor save tar pits.

Make your cultists bare bones, maybe a flamer or two in one you hold on the back objective.

Your terminators should be shooty or choppy, not both. Drop the chainfists unless you wanna get a Land raider for them to assault out of. Then drop the combi weapons.

If I may ask, what is your reasoning for combi-melta and combi-plasma on your chosen when you could do 2 meltas and 2 plasma guns... and - assuming you are planning on moving pillboxes... why not the 2 flamers?

If you're set on Chosen in Rhino's, might I recommend a Power Maul on your champ? S6 (wounding MEQ on 1's) is pretty nice tool to have in a lot of situations.

Personally, for 140pts you can have a 5 man CSM unit in a Rhino with a Plasma Gun and a champion with a plasma pistol/bolt pistol gunslinger both shooting out of the top. That's functionally close to what you have for shooting at 105pts less per unit. Add 12pts to the Rhino for a Havoc Launcher and you've got 152 pt teeny weeny scoring shooty boxes. Functionally, in the game, you'd want to put these in reserves though, or run Huron and outflank as many as you can. Having a Rhino cough up first blood sux.

With all those spare points, you can snag another Heldrake! It feels like winning!

HQ
Abbadon 265

Elite
Chaos Terms 4 all lighting claws
Champ with Lighting claws
MoS on all
Icon of Excess 292

Fast Attack
Heldrake 170

Troops
9CSM Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Flamer, Lascannon MoN 243
1Aspring Champ, Power Sword, Melta Bombs
9CSM Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Flamer, Lascannon MoN 243
1Aspring Champ, Power Axe, Melta Bombs
9CSM Bolter, Bolt Pistol, CCW, Meltagun, Plasmagun MoN 243
1Aspring Champ, Power Maul, Melta Bombs

around 1457 might be a bit off

OK I reworked it, this seem a little better?

If you can, lose the power sword. Power axe, lightning claw, power maul same cost and any of these three is better.

If you are planinning on mobing the troops, lose the lascannon for a plasma gun... I believe it is the same cost. I might be tempted to go double plasma gun on each squad if you have the points.

I would loose the heavy weapons.
You need to sit still to shoot them. Better to be moble.
Get a CSM 10 squad with a Rhino put 2 PG out the hatches.
Ass Champ with a power sword for Close combat.
Mobility and firepower plus enough troops to hold or take an objective

I prefer the original list, it has a couple of niggles but the second is ?????

Abaddon and the terminators must be deep striking and can not assault that turn; so they could do with ranaged weapons. Chainfists are not overpriced if you are facing armour, glancing a LR to death is not the best use of terminators.

The heldrake is good.

The CSM units are slow, as pr40guy said, they need rhinos. Far too many upgrades for them. IF they are in rhinos why not drop the bolters to get the combat weapopn for free.

The real problem with the second list is you don;t have any serious heavy weapons; and there are no really quick assaulty units. It relies on Abaddon and his termies not being melta-ed, vindicator-ed and plasma-ed to death the turn they arrive.

Go with the first list and just consider dropping some cultsust for a unit of havocs or something a bit shooty.

Thoughts on chosen are: they are expensive if you tool them up for close combat. If you tool them up for shooting they are awesome and, effectively, get you another heavy support equivalent with 2 basic attacks - one, with abaddon, which can take objectives. Close combat wise, in a large enough battle I would consider taking them (points not an issue and I can squeeze 10 in) to ride in a LR and completely tool them up with a mixture of melta weapons and power weapons to let them easily take on terminators and other 2+ save nasties.

HQ
Loki Snaketongue
(Count as Abbadon) 265

Elite
Chaos Terms 4 all powerfist x2 combi-flamer 1 combi-melta 1 reaper autocanno
champ twin lighting claws
MoS
282

Fast Attack
Heldrake 170

Heavy
Havocs
4 two rockets two las cannons
1 champ with powerfist bolt pistol 190

Troops
9 bolt postol ccw
1 champ powerl maul bolter bolt pistol
rhino 200

9 bolter bolt pistol
1 champ plasma plus bolt pistol
rhino 175

Chosen
4 2 melta 2 plasma
1 champ power maul
rhino
200

1482 total

Ok retooled it a bit again

Points are not adding up.

Did you add VotLW to some units and not list this?
Did you add flakk to your missile havocs and not list this?

Whoops my mistake you are correct VotLW on all and yes flakk to the missles on the havoc list

Elite
Chaos Terms 4 all powerfist x2 combi-flamer 1 combi-melta 1 reaper autocanno
champ twin lighting claws
MoS
282

ok .. so.. you have mark of slenesh and 1 guy with lightning claws.. BUT 4 GUYS THAT MAKE YOU I 1 REGARDLES!! WHATS THE POINT OF HAVEING MOS IF THEY ALL HAVE FISTS!!!!!

WHAT THE

 jbsnv wrote:

Elite
Chaos Terms 4 all powerfist x2 combi-flamer 1 combi-melta 1 reaper autocanno
champ twin lighting claws
MoS
282

ok .. so.. you have mark of slenesh and 1 guy with lightning claws.. BUT 4 GUYS THAT MAKE YOU I 1 REGARDLES!! WHATS THE POINT OF HAVEING MOS IF THEY ALL HAVE FISTS!!!!!

WHAT THE

Agreed.. How about 1 x Chainfist, 3x Power Mauls, 1 x 2 LC... or 1x Chainfist, 4x 2 LC.

1 power fist with heavy flamer ( or other weapon ) and the rest double lightning claws

Bro, I been there with Abby n his chosen.

To run chosen cheap yet effective, just have 2 squads of 5-6 men with 4-5 flamers in a rhino+combi melta. Their main job is then to kill weak mobs in cover. Use your other 4 troop slots for 2 squads of 10 CSM with 2 meltaguns and melta bomb champ in rhinos to pop transports for your flaming chosen. Then fill in the last 2 slots with the 2 squads of 20 cultist which will come from reserves to only take rear objectives.

Give your termi IoE if you use MoS. Just get 1 chainfist, heavy flamer, and leave the rest to your favorite power weapon. I personally prefer 1 of each if I could. I would just use combi meltas to pop vehicles first then if that dont work, I would pray for the chainfist.

your havocs are interesting but I would be afraid of losing them. If you can try to support them with the mob of cultist while both occupy a ADL with the popular quad gun. I personally like to have Abby shoot an Icarus Lascannon but your Abby will be deepstriking with Termi you should have the havoc champ shoot the quad gun as your mob of cultist guatd them with 2 flamers.


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Other option would be to have 2 squads 5 chosen, 3 flamers, 1 lascannon and have them sit back and claim rear objectives since the 3 flamers deter assaults n you snipe 1 lascannon all the while you have 4 squads of 10 CSM with whatever special weapons in rhinos moving forward ti claim objectives.


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Good luck, have fun with the chosen barbeque.


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N dont let people discourage you from using 1 or 2 squads of chosen if you are already using Abby. My mistake was using chosen exclusively.

 jbsnv wrote:

Elite
Chaos Terms 4 all powerfist x2 combi-flamer 1 combi-melta 1 reaper autocanno
champ twin lighting claws
MoS
282

ok .. so.. you have mark of slenesh and 1 guy with lightning claws.. BUT 4 GUYS THAT MAKE YOU I 1 REGARDLES!! WHATS THE POINT OF HAVEING MOS IF THEY ALL HAVE FISTS!!!!!

WHAT THE

Overeact much?

Haha calm down man, point taken though I'll drop the MoS really not sure what I was thinking, maybe give them MoT the 4++ is inviting

Also I like the idea of the flame heavy Chosen, something about the small semi-elite guys is inciting to me despite the points costs