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I am probably facing Dark Angels tomorrow. Ill probably meet bikes and termies. I plan on giving him the first round unless its obvious i have to swoop up with the DP and kill something fragile, but I don't want the DP to get shot down right away. WS9 A5+D6/2 S10 AP2 on the smash can really take down anything and the WS9 A5+D6 S6 AP4 Fleshbane and cursed is not good on the fleshy stuff ether. The other lord and his bikes is also pretty versatile with AP1 meltas and AP3 torrent. The rhino plague squad is flexible and the other two plague squads will probably run up and cover from the back.

Warlord - HQ

DP
Wings
Armour
MoK
The Black Mace
Khorne
265

Lord
MoN
Burning brand of scalatrax
LC
Bike
145

Troops

Plague marines x5
Melta x2
Rhino
175

Plague marines x5
Plasma x1
135

Plague marines x5
Plasma x1
135


Bikes x3
Melta x2
MoN x3
Votlw x3
Melta bomb x1
111

999

What do yo think dakka?

get rid of the daemon prince entirely, because its too much for a points of a game like this replace it for a heldrake with bale flamer, soo much better and can vector strike d3 + 1 ap 3 st 7

your mark of nurgle is fine, just replace the tl bolter with the burning brand so your bike shoots it not you, and a melta bomb dont forget that

plague marines are good, but at this point cost he will be out numbering you, it might be best to just have normal chaos and spam them with no marks ( unless you can get the forge world blight drone of nurgle )

bikes will have 2 flamers ( to fit with the flame theme ) and the sargent will have power weapon and melta bomb

over all at this point list the best thing to do is to try and out number your oppoent depending on what he runs, if its bikes, speeders, and termis out number him with sheer models, he will have to roll so many dice that he will eventualy fail them

I really wanted to field the DP, just painted him up. But i could drop the biker lord and spam MoN CSM?

Whats the difference if the bike or the lord shoots? Relentless?

Where does the blight drone of nugle fit into the CSM codex?

yes rentles

dp is good but not at this point lvl sorry

blight drone of nurgle is in forge world aeronautica

well its cheaper to have just csm but what ever you can field

You are going to really regret having no long range anti tank gear. Try a couple of obliterators over bikes. I detest bikes greatly they are sooooo overated, the high toughness looks great on paper, but it all comes down to dice throws and having a few quality units can be very bad if you roll poorly. Bikes are really weak unless the whole force is made up of bikes.

Warlord - HQ

DP
Wings
Armour
MoK
Axe of Blind Fury
255

Troops

Plague marines x7
Melta x2
Rhino
223

Plague marines x7
Plasma x1
183

Plague marines x7
Plasma x1
183

Heavy
Obliterators x2
VoLW
146

990

 jbsnv wrote:
yes rentles

dp is good but not at this point lvl sorry

blight drone of nurgle is in forge world aeronautica

well its cheaper to have just csm but what ever you can field

Yeah... you care to show me where it says I can replace the bike bolters with anything? Blight drone is also in the Demon codex. Don't know if it is in the flyer codex. But unless his friends play forgeworld, which clearly states they run experimental rules on the front webpage, you can't assume everyone uses rules from there.


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I like the list Penguin, but the lack of long range AT is indeed a killer. The DP is also your only AA, and can be shot down. Your opponent is indeed going to nail you hard turn 1, so that may be the only saving grace for not having long range AT!

If you want your DP, cool... keep him. Understand this may not be the best choice, but you are suppose to have fun playing this game... sometimes. But give those Plague Marines a second special weapon, and to pull this off I would get rid of the Burning Brand. Get a Combi-flamer and then put both plasma guns together and give the last squad two melta guns. Move the melta bomb from the biker champ to your lord. I will also point out your lord doesn't have VotLW, and you want that on him to kinda combo with that LC so you re-roll misses and wounds (well, on the first turn of CC at least). This might cost you either the combi-flamer (then give him a melta bomb with the remaining points) or the melta bomb... and the bikes do have melta guns already.

Good luck!

thats the whole point it does not say you can replace them just says add the weapon

Hey guys.
I took some of your advice, I fielded 2x11 CSM, MoN, 2x plasmas. DP of khorne, black mace wings, 10 cultists, vindicator and obliterator.

He fielded 3 units of termies of some kind. All DS'ing, i got to place one of the units because it misshaped. Placed it in the opposite corner. The vindicator took one squad, with some help from CSM plasmas and the plasma cannon from the obliterator. The DP basically took the second alone after it killed the squad of cultists. His third unit did not get to do anything.

Quick win.

Then we decided to go 1500, he proxyed some ravenwings from my bikes, and a dreadnaught. 3 termie squads and a librarian. I fielded skarbrand 30 bloodletters, 2 plague squads in rhino and a vindicator.

He backed up to the corner of the board and killed skarbrand and the vindicator in the first and second turn with crazy missile launchers. I DS'ed with the bloodletters as well, the got shot a lot, and did little to the temies. The other squad misshaped and he placed me in the other corner of the table(on an objective). They did not get to do anything. I did some resistance with the plagues and 5 spawn proxying as beasts of nurgle, they took out a termie squad singlehandedly loosing one beast(over 3 turns). Suffering heavy losses in form of skarbrand and the vindi, i backed up holding objectives. The game ended in round 4 and i had 10 points(3 objectives and linebreaker). He got 5 points from line breaker, rhino, bloodletters, skarbrand, first blood.

Good job Penguin! Did the experience give you some further insight on what you want to play and how to make it then?

 jbsnv wrote:
thats the whole point it does not say you can replace them just says add the weapon

Actually, it does say 'replace' the twin-linked bolters or their close combat weapon under the bike's themselves. The bike's guns are what you want to replace so you get that extra +1 Attack in CC. So your made the right choice what to replace for your advice, and that you can do it... but relentless has nothing to do with it. Bikes get Relentless, Jink, and Hammer of Wrath just for being a bike and can fire 1 weapon per rider... so a attack bike with a sidecar can fire two weapons.

 BlkTom wrote:
Good job Penguin! Did the experience give you some further insight on what you want to play and how to make it then?

 jbsnv wrote:
thats the whole point it does not say you can replace them just says add the weapon

Actually, it does say 'replace' the twin-linked bolters or their close combat weapon under the bike's themselves. The bike's guns are what you want to replace so you get that extra +1 Attack in CC. So your made the right choice what to replace for your advice, and that you can do it... but relentless has nothing to do with it. Bikes get Relentless, Jink, and Hammer of Wrath just for being a bike and can fire 1 weapon per rider... so a attack bike with a sidecar can fire two weapons.

yaay +1 attk??

 BlkTom wrote:
Good job Penguin! Did the experience give you some further insight on what you want to play and how to make it then?

I think I have dropped The skarbrand thought.. He is hard to utilize. So im still trykng to make Khorne daemon allies a good addition to my death guard. I realised the beasts of nurgle can be good support for my plague marines, bevause i try to Keep them out of CC. They dont do anything In CC and they rarely have The numbers. So they Are just survivable plasma shooters. The beasts Are CC monsters who never die and they charge to help any friendly units within 12" who Get Charged and resolve The combat In The charge sub phase!

In 1750 im thinking a nurgle lord on a bike and a bloodthirster and bloodletters as allies With The beasts or a bloodletters blob With a herald.



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Lightning234 wrote:
You are going to really regret having no long range anti tank gear. Try a couple of obliterators over bikes. I detest bikes greatly they are sooooo overated, the high toughness looks great on paper, but it all comes down to dice throws and having a few quality units can be very bad if you roll poorly. Bikes are really weak unless the whole force is made up of bikes.

Warlord - HQ

DP
Wings
Armour
MoK
Axe of Blind Fury
255

Troops

Plague marines x7
Melta x2
Rhino
223

Plague marines x7
Plasma x1
183

Plague marines x7
Plasma x1
183

Heavy
Obliterators x2
VoLW
146

990

Need a lord With MoN to use that list. Other than that i see it working