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I currently have three armies I am interested in and I'm quite torn on which army I want to put my full focus on, the three being Space Wolves, Grey Knights, and Chaos Space Marines. I enjoy painting all three and I like all three for their fluff, favor Wolves and Chaos on that reasoning. I am just recently starting to play consistently at my FLGS and I am looking for a competitive army that will suit my playstyle perfectly. I tend to use tactics of bringing lots of firepower, some what value quantity over quality in that area as dice rolls aren't amazing on my side. I do not prefer engaging in close combat unless it's defensive, that being said I don't mind it for big nasty characters or shutting down high fire power (tau).

My basic question is which of these armies would suit this style the best? I was thinking that heavy GH/LF Space Wolves, GK SS/Terminators/Dreadnoughts, and a Nurgle Termi/gunline/cultists all are basically the same playstyle. I don't know the details or the accuracy of that because I'm no where near the most experienced 40k player and I'm looking for opinions from players who have experience with any of these armies.

I'll say that I prefer Wolves and Chaos for their fluff and looks but Grey Knights for their playstyle.

I run a Grey Knights Psycannon terminators list with 2 psyflemen and I find it to work extremely well. The Psycannons hold them off within 24 inches, the terminator armor keeps them alive quite nicely, and the psyflemen take out the targets my psycannons cant reach.


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That being said I would always go by fluff. If you like Wolves fluff/looks the best you are going to enjoy playing with them more and stick with them longer

Those groups of 5 MLs the Space wolves have are so powerful. Jaws of the Wolf is awesome.

I do enjoy my GKs but my list is very non standard.

So I would say make a SW GK ally list!

prophet102 wrote:I run a Grey Knights Psycannon terminators list with 2 psyflemen and I find it to work extremely well. The Psycannons hold them off within 24 inches, the terminator armor keeps them alive quite nicely, and the psyflemen take out the targets my psycannons cant reach.


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That being said I would always go by fluff. If you like Wolves fluff/looks the best you are going to enjoy playing with them more and stick with them longer

I do love GK fluff as well just a tad bit less than the others. They do look damn amazing though. I hadn't thought of running full termies instead of SS and I do favor termies between the two. Problem is we mostly play around 1250 point games at my FLGS so running terminators hurts.

Mythra wrote:Those groups of 5 MLs the Space wolves have are so powerful. Jaws of the Wolf is awesome.

I do enjoy my GKs but my list is very non standard.

So I would say make a SW GK ally list!

Yeah LF are insanely good. I have considered GK/SW allies but the issue with that relates to the post above that we tend to play at 1250 point values and that hurts for GK.

 Mythra wrote:
Those groups of 5 MLs the Space wolves have are so powerful. Jaws of the Wolf is awesome.

I do enjoy my GKs but my list is very non standard.

So I would say make a SW GK ally list!

Fluff-wise they would be perfect

Irony is (if they could work together) canix helix and GK immunity makes them possibly toughest enemy of chaos...

I thought based on the fluff that a conflict between SW and GK would be more likely after Armageddon.
LFs aren't as good as they used to be. The ML just isn't as fancy as it was in 5th. A lot of SW players are moving away from ML spam because it's just not as good any more.

Yeah, the SW fluff I've read has them even more distrusting and disliking of the GK than other chapters, since SW are honor bound and the GK have a nasty habit of cleansing anything remotely involved with chaos.

Imo I think stationary long range firepower only work to a certain degree in 40k. In 6th edition it has become such a objective and (if you follow the rulebook setup) terrain heavy game.

I play plgue marines and obliterators as my key units. Plagues move up to hold objectives and/or take out certain units. Oblits DS to take out... well anything i want really (750 pt game 1x3 oblits 2000 pt game 3x3/2x3 oblits. And everything in between.

 Turock wrote:

prophet102 wrote:I run a Grey Knights Psycannon terminators list with 2 psyflemen and I find it to work extremely well. The Psycannons hold them off within 24 inches, the terminator armor keeps them alive quite nicely, and the psyflemen take out the targets my psycannons cant reach.


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That being said I would always go by fluff. If you like Wolves fluff/looks the best you are going to enjoy playing with them more and stick with them longer

I do love GK fluff as well just a tad bit less than the others. They do look damn amazing though. I hadn't thought of running full termies instead of SS and I do favor termies between the two. Problem is we mostly play around 1250 point games at my FLGS so running terminators hurts.

That is a good point. If you are in need of more bodies at that point bring Coteaz as your HQ and a few units of henchmen.

Space Wolves shoot better from farther away than the GK's do, but once it gets to close quarter shooting (0-24) the GK's start taking over due to psy's and storm bolters with psybolt ammo.

killerpenguin wrote:Imo I think stationary long range firepower only work to a certain degree in 40k. In 6th edition it has become such a objective and (if you follow the rulebook setup) terrain heavy game.

I play plgue marines and obliterators as my key units. Plagues move up to hold objectives and/or take out certain units. Oblits DS to take out... well anything i want really (750 pt game 1x3 oblits 2000 pt game 3x3/2x3 oblits. And everything in between.

I've seen this list quite often, stacking PM and Oblits. It sounds interesting and fun to put on the field. I have considered running it but I quite unfamiliar with chaos. I only have about 1250 points right now (2x Dark Vengeance and some Terminators+ proxie Marines I could use) but I'm having difficulty choosing between a Nurgle Shooty army or Khorne themed cut your face off army. I am not sure how either really plays (or how fun they are) and it seems like Nurgle Shooty list would lack variety. I'd like to put some havocs and CSM on the field to go with the PM and Oblits, but not sure if I would enjoy the Khorne style more considering I already have SW and GK which seem very similar to a Nurgle shoot em' up list.

strybjorn Grimskull wrote:Space Wolves shoot better from farther away than the GK's do, but once it gets to close quarter shooting (0-24) the GK's start taking over due to psy's and storm bolters with psybolt ammo.

I have noticed this as I play vs a SW player just about every week. When my GK are anywhere 24 inches + from him I better prepare my butthole for the LF twin-linked plasma cannon prescience and ML spam, not to mention his GH blobs. I also play vs Tau every week and this is just an uphill battle unless I get very lucky with my Dreadknight and he incinerates every fire warrior ever to exist.

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 Turock wrote:

prophet102 wrote:I run a Grey Knights Psycannon terminators list with 2 psyflemen and I find it to work extremely well. The Psycannons hold them off within 24 inches, the terminator armor keeps them alive quite nicely, and the psyflemen take out the targets my psycannons cant reach.


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That being said I would always go by fluff. If you like Wolves fluff/looks the best you are going to enjoy playing with them more and stick with them longer

I do love GK fluff as well just a tad bit less than the others. They do look damn amazing though. I hadn't thought of running full termies instead of SS and I do favor termies between the two. Problem is we mostly play around 1250 point games at my FLGS so running terminators hurts.

That is a good point. If you are in need of more bodies at that point bring Coteaz as your HQ and a few units of henchmen.

I am considering running a 1250 point list that looks about like the following:
Coteaz-100
Vindicare Assassin-145
10x SS- Psybolt, 7 swords, 1 HB, 2 Psycannons -245
5x Terminators- Psybolt, 4 swords, 1 HB, 1 psycannon- 245
Warband- 7x Power Armour, 6x bolter, 1x Melta - 129
Warband- 10x Carapace Armour, 8x Hot shot Lasgun, 2x Melta - 132
2x Dreadnought- Psybolt, 2x TL Autocannon
Also have a dreadknight I could swap in for a warband or two.

Not sure how I feel about henchmen though, not very GK to me.

GK has the best shooting of the three armies listed.

Psyflemen, Psybacks, Psycannons, Psybolt ammo and storm ravens make them one of the premier shooting armies in the game.

something that crossed my mind is as well is that you know where the CSM codex is at for the next few years atleast... GK and SW will get changed at some point, so it also comes down to how long till they get changed around and if you want this to be a long term army or something fun short term..

but any decision really comes down to what do you like the most, with looks, fluff etc etc and go with that because then its about the army rather than the book they play with.

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something that crossed my mind is as well is that you know where the CSM codex is at for the next few years atleast... GK and SW will get changed at some point, so it also comes down to how long till they get changed around and if you want this to be a long term army or something fun short term..

but any decision really comes down to what do you like the most, with looks, fluff etc etc and go with that because then its about the army rather than the book they play with.

Honestly I have been a die hard chaos fan since the first time I ever saw a fantasy warriors of chaos model. When I got into 40k a few years back the decent players at my then FLGS advised me against CSM. So I picked up wolves instead. As I played the game I realized I really enjoy heavy shooting lists and as far as I know chaos are not the greatest at that.