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I don't they'll praticularly concern my GK and Ultramarine combo.

Start 2 DKs out of LOS so they can jump in and take out anything too threatening and most of the time they've got a fairly good chance if not succeeding at least making back some of their points and causing enough disruption to make it worth it.

And then there is everything else of course.

Asmodais answer to anything is:

But then they get shot, but then the get instadeathed but then this but then that.

Have to question whether this man has ever played a 40K game in his life. In a perfect world scenario any unit is super duper kick ass.

Yes I'll reiterate the calls for balance. Asmodean (whilst calling everyone else out on logic and fallacies) makes the rather profound leap in reasoning that you either assume 100% success rate or 100% rate failure as opposed to a somewhat reasonable (if stil fallible) law of averages based on some solid mathammer.

That is the only way to do the passing ridiculous task of trying to reason out how something will perform on the battlefield if you ignore the other dozen variables that will step into play.

Much like saying, "Field a rhino derp and I'll just shoot it" well yes that is of course true but you may miss or many other things and of course whilst you fire on that you aren't firing on other things. Armour saturation is difficult to deal with no matter who you are and if you intercepted that turn you will not be shooting at that. If this then not that. Of course that still may not help the opponent win but other times it will.

I didn't mention the nova tide but when you are referencing any success in dice it is either winning every time or losing every time instead of a reasonable position.

I thought I made that very clear are you reading what I write?

Dreadknights are not short ranged. Hide them, shunt them 30" and if you don't kill them next turn in one round of shooting they'll tear through a riptide in CC without breaking a sweat or putting a nick on the NF Sword. Then after its shunted its standard movement is 12", and there will be another one running on the other side of the field too.

And when you miss with that shot on the first turn and roll a 4" on your JSJ and don't manage to escape its dead, as is the other one. That leaves 2 dead riptides and 2 virtually unscathed dread knights.

If we work on the best case scenario for the Riptide I see no reason why I can't do the same with my DKs. Or does that only work for the riptide that has the perfect game every game in your head.

Well yes why not? And the best part is, I tried it and it has indeed done the trick. 2 DK's vs 2 Riptides.

The shooting didn't kill the DKs's and it turns out riptides are worse than useless once you've got ahold of them. Double dreadknight overkill, goodnight.

The rest of the army put up a pretty good fight, one of the riptides got a couple of good shots off before its inevitable and rapid demise.

I have a number of lists I use regularly, one of which includes two Dreadknights.

Lysensis:

it depends if its a friendly match or a competitive match. If with friends I've got a good idea of what I am facing in a friendly, but if its competitive there is a good range of armies in the group, just missing...Dark Eldar, I'd have no idea what to do with them and if its competitive then you just have to pull a take all comers list out of your ass.

Is that surprising? Surely that is the same for everyone.

How is it a dick move exactly?

Its not bringing 3 heldrakes its not even as bad as 3 leman russes.

I really don't get your point. It isn't even like the GK codex is considered overpowered in 6th Edition.

No its upper middle class. Posh enough to have a white picket fence but not posh enough for silverware and hired help.

There are no real dick moves left for the GK codex except perhaps spamming Chimeras with 3 henchmen in each. Draigo is more fun than a deathstar now, you wouldn't want to field him in a tournament. Double Dreadknight to me is equivalent to someone doubling up on Vindicators or Riptides and since I assume someone doubling up on a Riptide isn't a dick move I really don't see how doubling up on the DK can be.

You are sinking 500 points into two models that struggle to stay out of line of sight and only have a 2+/5++, it can be actually a pretty risky move which is why it isn't seen all over the place as the super uber must take.

Of course Draigo can be played well still but the Paladinstar whilst it can win games is much more vulnerable than in 5th.

If your Paladins or even Draigo get in range of Dark Angel rapid fire Plasma bike squads they simply will not last very long. If you are lucky enough in a tournament (or skillful enough to avoid it) then great but it is a big gamble when you drop 700p on a single unit that could get tarpitted, slowed down or simply massacred by getting Plasma on the wrong side of the squad and whoops...3 paladins just died because Draigo was chillaxing on the other side of the squad. Not to mention the fact that in multiple object games you are left somewhat weak in being able to play to the scenario.

Fair enough I'm relatively new to Grey Knights and thus far my performance with Terminators (not paladins) has been somewhat lacking but I'm quite prepared to admit that is down to lack of delivery systems and possibly just not really getting their usefulness. I'm receiving a Draigo model in the post soon enough so I shall certainly give Draigo a try.

This all devolved from riptides where apparently taking two dreadknights against two riptides was a dick move which I'm still baffled about.

Oh right. Well we often pretailor lists but we both do it in the full knowledge that we do. One pair do tournaments and they want us to pretailor and exploit every possible weakness in their list to see how they can fight against various armies with the worst possible combination. Other times we surprise each other or not just depending on how we feel. But we are friends not specifically competitors so we don't really do "dick" moves to each other.

I think if you are so obsessed with winning that you'll go out of the way to screw someone yeah but then would you still be friends?