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2013/04/09 23:08:18
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Horus's second in command?
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Like the great storm of the Horus Heresy, the forces of the True Gods will descend upon the Emperor's minions. The stars will tremble at their passage and the mighty armadas of the Warmaster Abaddon will bring annihilation to a hundred worlds. Know this, for these things will come to pass. |
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2013/04/09 23:10:03
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Abbaddon the Despoiler. He was his second in command, this is a total non-brainer.
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2013/04/09 23:47:58
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Funny how everyone else on the list there is a Primarch with their own Legions to oversee, and the one guy who was Horus' right-hand dude, within his own Legion, is only tossed up there as a "possibility" of being 2nd in Command. Did you think Horus was going to hand the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus over to some other Primarch?
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2013/04/10 01:47:15
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Horus was good at making allies and settling disputes among his men, if he had chosen a primarch as his second in command then the rest of the primarchs would feel insulted or that they were not recognized for their greatness.
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2013/04/10 05:41:22
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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 Beaviz81 wrote:Abbaddon the Despoiler. He was his second in command, this is a total non-brainer.
For Abaddon to be his second in command, he'd have to be given the authority to order around the other Primarchs.
All would either be bemused at this Astartes douchebag trying to boss them around, or in the case of guys like Curze or Angron promptly murder him for his trouble.
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2013/04/10 06:11:16
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
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If your asking who would become Commander of the sons of Horus, then yes I'd agree it was Abaddon.
But I'm assuming who would become Warmaster in the event that horus snuffed it, who would become Warmaster.
At the time I doubt Abaddon had the force of will or the balls to boss around Primarchs.
I'd put my money on Fulgrim stepping up to the rank, being the most respected and/or least crazy, whilst still being very formidable tactically and strategicly.
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2013/04/10 06:13:37
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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 Eetion wrote:I'd put my money on Fulgrim stepping up to the rank, being the most respected and/or least crazy, whilst still being very formidable tactically and strategicly.
Least crazy? He's the most watch the language please insane Traitor Primarch of them all. Konrad Curze could only dream of being so mentally deranged.
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2013/04/10 07:25:09
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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I think if Horus had died early, then the Heresy would have no real leader, Abaddon would take over the Sons of Horus, but the other Primarchs would begin to fight among themselves. IMO, only Lorgar could really have taken over, and even then it'd take so much work, he doesn't have a lot of friends.
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2013/04/10 07:35:04
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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If you believe Tzeentch, Magnus was the original candidate for leader of the Heresy, I'd bet only him or Lorgar could do it.
Between them, they have some influence. Lorgar and Magnus, while strained, are still semi-bros4life, Perturabo and Magnus have some bro4lifeage, Lorgar and Angron have established a bros4life relationship as of The Butcher's Nails, Alpharius would be a part because he is Alpharius, Fulgrim is indebted to Lorgar and if nothing else could be bullied by both Magnus and Lorgar (Both of whom are demonstrably capable of this, Lorgar has done it, and Magnus proceeded to out-thug Lorgar), leaving Mortarion and Curze as the only ones I am not sure of. Curze dislikes Lorgar explicitly, and his feelings on Magnus I can not say. Mortarion? Hated Magnus, can't say for Lorgar.
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2013/04/10 07:40:08
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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 Void__Dragon wrote:If you believe Tzeentch, Magnus was the original candidate for leader of the Heresy, I'd bet only him or Lorgar could do it.
Didn't Chaos say the same thing to Lorgar? Heck, maybe even Horus too, I canne remember.
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"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
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2013/04/10 08:10:26
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
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Void__Dragon wrote: Eetion wrote:I'd put my money on Fulgrim stepping up to the rank, being the most respected and/or least crazy, whilst still being very formidable tactically and strategicly.
Least crazy?
He's the most bugfuck insane Traitor Primarch of them all. Konrad Curze could only dream of being so mentally deranged.
I will rephrase. One of the least crazy. Curze, Angron to unstable, Fulgrim although not perfect is/was tactically astute.
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2013/04/10 08:13:22
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Abbadon a clone of Horus?
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2013/04/10 08:23:35
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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 Just Dave wrote:Didn't Chaos say the same thing to Lorgar? Heck, maybe even Horus too, I canne remember.
Ingethel refers to Lorgar as the "Most favored son", IIRC, but no Chaos God has actually directly said anything of the sort to him.
And Lorgar being the most favored is not quite the same as him being the chosen "face" of Chaos, Lorgar's purpose was always to operate in the shadows, setting up the conditions to make the Heresy come to pass. Horus, and if you believe Tzeentch, Magnus, were intended to be the face of the Heresy, leading the traitors into battle against the Imperium.
True or not, IMO, were Horus to die, Magnus or Lorgar would have the best chance. Automatically Appended Next Post: Eetion wrote:I will rephrase. One of the least crazy. Curze, Angron to unstable, Fulgrim although not perfect is/was tactically astute.
That guy who during the siege of Terra got bored, and decided to devote his considerable military assets towards the rape and slaughter of the civilian masses?
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2013/04/10 09:12:39
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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I don't think that anyone would have been a second in command honestly. The reason why all the Traitor Primarchs stuck together was because of Horus, without Horus to hold them together they would go off and do their own thing. None were as respected as Horus.
Look what happened after Horus died, they didn't stick around or help each other out, they started to war amongst themselves. They all had their own personal grievances and grudges that they were acting on, it was more for their own personal gain more than anything else.
Abbadon would not have cut it at the time due to his standing amongst the Primarchs, now though he has proven himself as a more than capable leader.
I think from a tactical point of view Alpharius would have probably been the best choice in my opinion, but due to his diminutive stature probably wouldn't have been accepted. I think his tactical acumen and ability to hide in plain sight would have been an asset for the Traitors if they were to continue the long war in Imperial Space.
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2013/04/10 10:19:54
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Stubborn Hammerer
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This is a flawed poll really, considering the question, hence the skewed results.
Imo it should read 'who would be the replacement warmaster?'
Which, of those listed I would have to say should be Fulgrim.
He's the least unstable of those that would have the support of the others I think.
Of course the proper replacement as warmaster should probably be roboute guilliman or Dorn
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2013/04/10 10:42:22
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Well, if it is the replacement Warmaster, it would have been Sanguinus, I'm pretty sure it even says something along those lines in one of the early HH novels.
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2013/04/10 10:50:21
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Void__Dragon wrote:
Fulgrim is indebted to Lorgar and if nothing else could be bullied by both Magnus and Lorgar (Both of whom are demonstrably capable of this, Lorgar has done it, and Magnus proceeded to out-thug Lorgar)
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Lorgar (who knows deamons) sucker attacked deamon Fulgrim while he was sitting and Magnus only managed to do a psyhic fart agains Lorgar....Also Lorgar warned Magnus that he will whoop his arse if he probed his mind again...
Give Fulgrim a sword, and he will make sushi out of Nerds..
And the primarch are not children so that they can be bullied for Chris sake...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/10 11:02:54
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Magnus psychically dominated Lorgar from the other side of the galaxy. His telepathic might was enough to shatter the marble statues in Lorgar's room, set the paintings aflame, and actually make Lorgar bleed. The moment Magnus grew tired of Lorgar's internet tough guy act (This was after Lorgar threatened Magnus for probing his mind by the way), he ended it by proving that among the Primarchs, he was still the most psychically powerful.
Don't enter another losing off-topic battle. I have no desire to scrounge up the quotes from Aurelian and prove you wrong.
Fulgrim is a pathetic individual, and is certainly childlike in aspect.
Though after discussion with a friend of mine, whom has read Angel Exterminatus (I have yet to), I will rescind my previous bullying statement.
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2013/04/10 11:04:12
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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If it's replacing the warmaster, yeah, no one. The traitors fell apart on his death and that would've happened regardless of when he died during the heresy.
I think Lorgar was the only one remotely capable of holding together, but we also know he didn't get along with everyone.
Also, I don't Curze even needs mentioning in this, the Night Lords weren't all that devoted to horus to begin with.
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2013/04/10 11:08:55
Subject: Re:Horus's second in command?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Guy is the best swordsman amongst primarchs according to Perturabo and whooped Robby and Ferrus( twice )...So I rank him really high....
Btw @Void, not long ago you bashed Lorgar with the same words you bash Fulgrim now.....Not cool, dude....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/10 12:39:30
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Fulgrim is powerful, that is without doubt, and the best swordsman, yep. That doesn't actually mean he can beat any of the other primarchs. Angron would whoop his ass, Lorgar and Magnus would probably just atomize him if they felt the need. Pert is too busy doing.. something or other to bother with this stuff. Alpharius is... everywhere and nowhere. Mortarion just needs to fart on him,
Apart from Angron though, Fulgrim is the most flying rodent gak insane primarch, among the traitors anyway. Though actually his insanity is a lot worse then Angron's hatred for.. things.
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2013/04/10 13:49:03
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 Soladrin wrote: Lorgar and Magnus would probably just atomize him if they felt the need.
Maybe - but Fulgrim has two primarchs kill-count, how much do Magnus and Lorgar have ? Zero...Big fat zero...
In fact Russ broke Magnus in half, and Lorgar was banged by Corax....
So every primarch is a wildcard I say - IMHO to claim that one primarch has less chance then other is unfair and childish (ESPECIALLY in content of bully ), good sir...
Btw I didn't excluded Lorgar and Magnus from anything, I'm only including Fulgrim into a "fair chance equation"....
Also Fulgrim is now a deamon prince....So add Slaanesh into equation too....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/10 14:12:30
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 DarthMarko wrote: Soladrin wrote: Lorgar and Magnus would probably just atomize him if they felt the need.
Maybe - but Fulgrim has two primarchs kill-count, how much do Magnus and Lorgar have ? Zero...Big fat zero...
In fact Russ broke Magnus in half, and Lorgar was banged by Corax....
So every primarch is a wildcard I say - IMHO to claim that one primarch has less chance then other is unfair and childish (ESPECIALLY in content of bully ), good sir...
Btw I didn't excluded Lorgar and Magnus from anything, I'm only including Fulgrim into a "fair chance equation"....
Also Fulgrim is now a deamon prince....So add Slaanesh into equation too....
Being able to beat up another Primarch doesn't necessarily a good leader make.
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2013/04/10 14:13:19
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Maybe he means that killing some among their number would earn the respect of the others?
Highlander style?
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2013/04/10 14:15:19
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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 Pilau Rice wrote: DarthMarko wrote: Soladrin wrote: Lorgar and Magnus would probably just atomize him if they felt the need.
Maybe - but Fulgrim has two primarchs kill-count, how much do Magnus and Lorgar have ? Zero...Big fat zero...
In fact Russ broke Magnus in half, and Lorgar was banged by Corax....
So every primarch is a wildcard I say - IMHO to claim that one primarch has less chance then other is unfair and childish (ESPECIALLY in content of bully ), good sir...
Btw I didn't excluded Lorgar and Magnus from anything, I'm only including Fulgrim into a "fair chance equation"....
Also Fulgrim is now a deamon prince....So add Slaanesh into equation too....
Being able to beat up another Primarch doesn't necessarily a good leader make.
I know, but I was responding to a statment that Lorgar and Magnus can bully Fulgrim to do their bidding.... Automatically Appended Next Post:  Manchu wrote:Maybe he means that killing some among their number would earn the respect of the others?
Highlander style?
No, read the damn posts....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/10 14:24:13
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DarthMarko wrote:
I know, but I was responding to a statment that Lorgar and Magnus can bully Fulgrim to do their bidding....
Ferrus wouldn't let this happen, he's taking a hiatus in Fulgrims brain.
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2013/04/10 14:24:19
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Pilau Rice pointed out why your argument is weak. Fulgrim cutting off Ferrus Manus's head doesn't mean that Lorgar or Magnus could not dominate him. As V__D pointed out to you, Magnus psychically dominated Lorgar from millions of miles away with ease. Fulgrim's head-chopping doesn't offer much protection against that. He'd need something more than a primarch kill count to resist Magnus's "charms" -- V__D mentioned something about Angel Exterminatus in this regard, so maybe he has it. Point is, kill count isn't enough.
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2013/04/10 14:29:43
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I just noticed that Erebus is listed
I lol'd
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2013/04/10 14:50:30
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Manchu wrote:Pilau Rice pointed out why your argument is weak. Fulgrim cutting off Ferrus Manus's head doesn't mean that Lorgar or Magnus could not dominate him. As V__D pointed out to you, Magnus psychically dominated Lorgar from millions of miles away with ease. Fulgrim's head-chopping doesn't offer much protection against that. He'd need something more than a primarch kill count to resist Magnus's "charms" -- V__D mentioned something about Angel Exterminatus in this regard, so maybe he has it. Point is, kill count isn't enough.
And you are certain that Lorgar and Magnus can dominate Fulgrim? IIRC when Lorgar sucker attacked him , he was just a deamon shell...
Not saying that they can't, but AD-B freaking said that Lorgar only managed to stave off Horus for a brief moment in Aurelian...(his respond to fanboism)....
Also I 'll bet my hat you didn't read Aurelian...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/04/10 14:59:01
Subject: Horus's second in command?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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I don't think Manchu is saying that, but we have nothing to prove otherwise. All we have is that Magnus was powerful enough to shut Lorgar up from a couple of million miles away, if not in the Warp. Wouldn't he have been on the Planet of the Sorcerers at this time 
Fulgrim has his bonuses though, he's a psychic too and he pushed out a Daemon from his body (if we believe everything thus far at face value)
I have Aurelian, how do you mean stave off Horus?
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