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Pretty simple question.

Seeing as how all other Monstrous Creatures have access to Fearless - that I can think off the top of my head - and the Riptide doesn't...I suppose that means that the Riptide is the first Monstrous Creature in the game that can actually be sweeping advanced? Seems rather strange, personally, but the rules says 'wounds' and not models, and so if he loses a combat by 1 or so, he has to take a test?

I see nothing else that says he's immune, but thought I'd see if I'm interpreting this right to confirm it.

CleverAntics wrote:
Pretty simple question.

Seeing as how all other Monstrous Creatures have access to Fearless - that I can think off the top of my head - and the Riptide doesn't...I suppose that means that the Riptide is the first Monstrous Creature in the game that can actually be sweeping advanced? Seems rather strange, personally, but the rules says 'wounds' and not models, and so if he loses a combat by 1 or so, he has to take a test?

I see nothing else that says he's immune, but thought I'd see if I'm interpreting this right to confirm it.

Nemesis Dreadknights do not have Fearless. Until now, it was the only MC without it, however it does have Fearless' little brother - ATSKNF.

But to answer your question if it does not have Fearless (or a special rule similar) yes, it must take a Morale test or fall back (and possibly be swept).

Since the Riptide doesn't have fearless, it can indeed be sweeping advanced. So make sure you keep it out of assault range unless you know you can win.

Ninja'd

Thought so. Thanks for the clarification!

I never actually thought about that, that completely sucks.

If your Riptide gets into Assault, you're doing Tau wrong

Although i haven't actually read the book yet--maybe there's a killer CC loadout for the MC (who'da thunk??)

Hm. If Ripetide isn't Fearless, does that mean that taking his Missile drones is a veritable death sentence?

Also: Riptides are monstrous creatures, so can smash in assault and all that nice stuff. Not gamebreaking, but certainly unexpected.

I have a question though:
Is the Thrust move in Assault phase prohibited from being a charge? Because the Nova Reactor and Warlord Trait can increase your thrust move: does this also increase assault range?
Because that would mean that you can nova-charge your ripetide, assault potentially 24" and smash unsuspecting vehicles or independent characters....

A thrust move is a special type of move in the assault phase available to Jet Pack Infantry. It is different than declaring a Charge.

from what im being told, the Riptide is also not a character. Meaning it IS the first MC that is unable to challenge things.

Also, really the Dreadknight isnt fearless either? I have a few faces to punch in then...dirty rat cheaters...lol not literally but that has changed the balance in a few games because it was "fearless" and being friends i just accepted it.

If it was a character, combat wouldnt be as bad as it could Smash and hope to 1shot whoever its facing thus evening or winning the combat depending on your saves and how many wounds the enemy had.
But i see your fear bout sweeping advances. I play Tau as allies to my Orks and i bought a riptide (still in the mail with my dex of course) because i heard it was cheap and very deadly..plus it looks cool so why not lol.

Well, looks like I'll be casting Hallucination on the Riptide then!

1-2: It gets pinned, and can only snap shot in it's next shooting phase.

3-4: It is reduced to only being able to move for a turn.

5-6: Whacks himself/his drones. This could cause him to break if he kills his own drone

People arent taking drones on him far as i can tell because of the leadership issue. I sure wont take any either, the drones not getting a 2+ because of the host model(s) anymore is a huge deal.

The pinning would be the most lethal i'd say. His attacks blow, and yes it would still be something as it would force invul saves not armor saves it wouldnt be as powerful as you think.
Pinning would force him to stay still for a turn. Thats huge for this guy as he wants to avoid combat by being mobile as hell. I imagine he cant do the assault movements either, which is just as big. Thus allowing you to actually catch him lol.

If it was just being able to move for a turn i'd use that turn to get to my side of the board edge, thus being out of range for that spell the next turn and being nowhere near any possible danger.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
People arent taking drones on him far as i can tell because of the leadership issue. I sure wont take any either, the drones not getting a 2+ because of the host model(s) anymore is a huge deal.

The pinning would be the most lethal i'd say. His attacks blow, and yes it would still be something as it would force invul saves not armor saves it wouldnt be as powerful as you think.
Pinning would force him to stay still for a turn. Thats huge for this guy as he wants to avoid combat by being mobile as hell. I imagine he cant do the assault movements either, which is just as big. Thus allowing you to actually catch him lol.

If it was just being able to move for a turn i'd use that turn to get to my side of the board edge, thus being out of range for that spell the next turn and being nowhere near any possible danger.

Well, that's why Chaos brings two Sorcerors/Daemon Princes as HQ's, and ally in a Daemon Prince/Fateweaver. We can be very mobile, and take enough Mastery Levels to stand a chance of getting something good like Hallucination near the Riptide.

And, even when too far to hit the Riptide, we can always use it on a closer unit of value

 Vineheart01 wrote:
from what im being told, the Riptide is also not a character. Meaning it IS the first MC that is unable to challenge things.

Carnifexes, Trygon-non Primes, Harpys...

Also, really the Dreadknight isnt fearless either? I have a few faces to punch in then...dirty rat cheaters...lol not literally but that has changed the balance in a few games because it was "fearless" and being friends i just accepted it.

ASTKNF is close enough to Fearless in many cases.

This is hilarious. They obviously didn't think this through.

But I think it was a stupid idea in first place to give obvious vehicles MC rules. Why some giant robots use vehicle rules while some use MC rules? It makes no sense.

HAha I just see the Riptide in combat with a couple of Daemonettes, the Riptide fails its Fear test and has to fight a WS1!! All it would take is for the 'nettes is to score one or two Rending wounds(or simply kill the drones) and it is over for the 'tide!!

 Crimson wrote:
This is hilarious. They obviously didn't think this through.

Where's your evidence it isn't deliberate? They know what Fearless does and what units its on.

 Crimson wrote:

But I think it was a stupid idea in first place to give obvious vehicles MC rules. Why some giant robots use vehicle rules while some use MC rules? It makes no sense.

It was design decision made at the dawn of Tau to make suits not vehicles. I have a copy of the White Dwarf stating that on my shelf.

To be fair, if Tau suits were walkers the entire army wouldnt be played right now. All armor except AV14 is pretty dang easy to deal with right now, and AV14 isnt even that bad once the long range factor is out of the question.
Not to mention Grenades would be having a field day. Any MEQ would own Tau as nearly their entire codex would be affected by Krak/Melta bombs.

An AV14 walker would be a pain in the butt i'll give ya that, but if they were all walkers i doubt any except the Riptide or Broadsides would have it...both of which arent melee based lol.

EDIT: Also, the They Shall Know No Rules crap on Dreadknights doesnt autopass ANY tests except Fear and Regroup (which is after you have fallen back already) and cannot be sweeping advanced. The situations i am referring to where it would have made a difference is the combat breaking off because i technically won but since he was "fearless" he didnt take a test to fall back or not, letting me recharge/shoot the next turn. The other would be Pinning Tests, as Regrouping or Fear has nothing to do with that one and locking a Dreadknight down is a big deal so i can catch it with my tarpit or mob that can actually fight it.

Well, the oddity is caused by 40K having completely different rules for vehicles and non-vehicles. For Riptide it at least makes some sense, as smaller suits are not vehicles either (because they're more like terminator armour, I suppose.) For Dreadknight it however makes no sense whatsoever. Both smaller and larger Imperial giant robots are vehicles. DK isn't, because Ward couldn't figure out a way to make a walker tough in CC; which in itself is a problem with either the vehicle rules or the designer.

One big thing I'd like them to do in some hypothetical future edition of 40K, is to make the vehicle and non-vehicle rules more unified... somehow.

 Crimson wrote:
Well, the oddity is caused by 40K having completely different rules for vehicles and non-vehicles. For Riptide it at least makes some sense, as smaller suits are not vehicles either (because they're more like terminator armour, I suppose.) For Dreadknight it however makes no sense whatsoever. Both smaller and larger Imperial giant robots are vehicles. DK isn't, because Ward couldn't figure out a way to make a walker tough in CC; which in itself is a problem with either the vehicle rules or the designer.

One big thing I'd like them to do in some hypothetical future edition of 40K, is to make the vehicle and non-vehicle rules more unified... somehow.

Knowing GW, the closest we'll get to that would be a box of troops costing as much as a Land Raider.

And each box containing one model.

...But hey, it'll probably be highly detailed!

The Ipad codex says Riptide is a page 48 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook Monsterous Creature with a Jetpack. Unless they amended page 48 in the BRB for all MCs, the Riptide is fearless.

 Ministry wrote:
The Ipad codex says Riptide is a page 48 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook Monsterous Creature with a Jetpack. Unless they amended page 48 in the BRB for all MCs, the Riptide is fearless.

Have another read of page 48. Fearless isn't on the list. Fear is though. Not all Monstrous Creatures are Fearless.

 Ministry wrote:
Unless they amended page 48 in the BRB for all MCs, the Riptide is fearless.

MCs have Fear listed. You might have misread this as "Fearless," an entry they do not have. There is no Errata in the current FAQ which affects p48.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
People arent taking drones on him far as i can tell because of the leadership issue. I sure wont take any either, the drones not getting a 2+ because of the host model(s) anymore is a huge deal.

The pinning would be the most lethal i'd say. His attacks blow, and yes it would still be something as it would force invul saves not armor saves it wouldnt be as powerful as you think.
Pinning would force him to stay still for a turn. Thats huge for this guy as he wants to avoid combat by being mobile as hell. I imagine he cant do the assault movements either, which is just as big. Thus allowing you to actually catch him lol.

If it was just being able to move for a turn i'd use that turn to get to my side of the board edge, thus being out of range for that spell the next turn and being nowhere near any possible danger.

I'm personally not taking drones because of the "not a character" issue.

I really wish they'd included a "drones can LoS for non-drones" rule.

RogueRegault wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
People arent taking drones on him far as i can tell because of the leadership issue. I sure wont take any either, the drones not getting a 2+ because of the host model(s) anymore is a huge deal.

The pinning would be the most lethal i'd say. His attacks blow, and yes it would still be something as it would force invul saves not armor saves it wouldnt be as powerful as you think.
Pinning would force him to stay still for a turn. Thats huge for this guy as he wants to avoid combat by being mobile as hell. I imagine he cant do the assault movements either, which is just as big. Thus allowing you to actually catch him lol.

If it was just being able to move for a turn i'd use that turn to get to my side of the board edge, thus being out of range for that spell the next turn and being nowhere near any possible danger.

I'm personally not taking drones because of the "not a character" issue.

I really wish they'd included a "drones can LoS for non-drones" rule.

You wouldn't want them anyways, as they'd cause morale issues with the riptide if they die.

RogueRegault wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
People arent taking drones on him far as i can tell because of the leadership issue. I sure wont take any either, the drones not getting a 2+ because of the host model(s) anymore is a huge deal.

The pinning would be the most lethal i'd say. His attacks blow, and yes it would still be something as it would force invul saves not armor saves it wouldnt be as powerful as you think.
Pinning would force him to stay still for a turn. Thats huge for this guy as he wants to avoid combat by being mobile as hell. I imagine he cant do the assault movements either, which is just as big. Thus allowing you to actually catch him lol.

If it was just being able to move for a turn i'd use that turn to get to my side of the board edge, thus being out of range for that spell the next turn and being nowhere near any possible danger.

I'm personally not taking drones because of the "not a character" issue.

I really wish they'd included a "drones can LoS for non-drones" rule.

Where did i say the drones arent being taken because of the character issue? I said leadership, big difference.
Kill a drone, now you are down to 2 models instead of 3, leadership test please. Oh you failed? And youre that kind of unit? Cool, 3D6 retreat please.

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