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I've seen this a few times, where it says something like, when X happens, unit Y may make a bonus attack at their base strength.

When this occurs, can said unit still apply the effects of their weapon to the hits?

Units examples of where this happens:

1. Jump infantry with hammer of wrath - The rules here are very specific, stating that the hit occurs at their base, unmodified strength with an AP of -.

In #1, I suspect it is specific enough to say that special weapons may not be used to resolve the attack, but I'd still like to hear thoughts. For instance, let's say you have a reaver jetbike with hammer of wrath, armed with a poisoned weapon (2+). Do they still wound on a 2+? They'd still be using their unmodified strength and AP-, since the weapon doesn't have a STR modifier, or an AP rating.

2. Drazhar, Master of Blades - He has an ability called riposte, which says "He may make a single bonus attack at his basic strength, directed at the unit that caused the wound, and made at the same initiative step."

#2 is far less specific. Knowing what a riposte is, it would make you think that he's striking back at the enemy using his weapon. If that's the case, since in this one it doesn't say his "unmodified" base strength, would he use the +1S from his weapon? If not, does he still use the AP of his weapon?

1. Yes. The HoW restrictions is not on the wounding, so you would on 2+

2. No. Basic strength is referring to his unmodified strength. He would use his AP of his weapons as it is not restricted.

Fragile wrote:
1. Yes. The HoW restrictions is not on the wounding, so you would on 2+

But of a correction here, from the official FAQ:

Q: When a model makes a Vector Strike or Hammer of Wrath, do these attacks benefit from any special rules (such as Furious Charge, Poisoned or Rending), or any weapons or other wargear it is equipped with? (p37/43)
A: No.

So that's a definite No for poison attacks.

1) You wouldn't use any special rules or wargear bonuses. You could benifit from Psychic powers that just flat increase your strength, like say Hammerhand.

2) you would only use his base strengh, but you could use the AP of his weapon.

 Grey Templar wrote:
1) You wouldn't use any special rules or wargear bonuses. You could benifit from Psychic powers that just flat increase your strength, like say Hammerhand.

2) you would only use his base strengh, but you could use the AP of his weapon.

Can you use the increase of strength from Hammerhand, as that is modifying the strength? I've never come across the situation with Hammerhand, so don't know how people have been playing it, but I'd imagine it's the same as Iron Arm?

Seeing as how a power that gives you +1str(or any other number) isn't a special rule or a piece of wargear there is no reason it can't be used that I can see.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Seeing as how a power that gives you +1str(or any other number) isn't a special rule or a piece of wargear there is no reason it can't be used that I can see.

Doesn't the rules for Hammer of Wrath call for "unmodified Strength with an AP of -"?

Hmmmm maybe, not sure actually. that would mean you couldn't benifit from powers at all.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Hmmmm maybe, not sure actually. that would mean you couldn't benifit from powers at all.

Yeah that was always my thinking when it said unmodified strength, I've always played that as the strength on your profile. And I have also played it both ways, so my units with Iron Arm don't benefit from that, however any of my units that have been Enfeebled are also unaffected by the Strength modifier from that.

Unmodified is the key word. Just saying it happens at Base strength does allow for modification.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Unmodified is the key word. Just saying it happens at Base strength does allow for modification.

Hammer of Wrath says 'unmodified'

Grey Templar wrote:
2) you would only use his base strengh, but you could use the AP of his weapon.

Hammer of Wrath explicity states unmodified strength and AP-

 azazel the cat wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
2) you would only use his base strengh, but you could use the AP of his weapon.

Hammer of Wrath explicity states unmodified strength and AP-

That was talking about Drazhar's Riposte

Grey Templar wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
2) you would only use his base strengh, but you could use the AP of his weapon.

Hammer of Wrath explicity states unmodified strength and AP-

That was talking about Drazhar's Riposte

Doesn't make my statement less correct.



Heh, yeah, that's my bad, though.