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It has been cleared up by TheMostWize, I stuffed up in my readings initially. Thanks for your help guys

TheMostWize wrote:
I have to say that the eCaine player wins.

The rule states the order in which the events are to occur. The model is boxed center the AOE on the model then remove it from play. Then any models in the AOE suffer an boostable POW 10 damage roll.

It does not read if an enemy model is boxed place the AOE models hit suffer an boostable POW 10 damage roll then RFP.

While it is possible that eCaine could kill himself the enemy caster has already been RFP therefore being "destroyed" therefore ending the game if it is not a multiple caster game.

Here's the scenario. You have a damaged eCaine and you get a chance to assassinate the enemy caster. You gatecrash in and feat and start blazing away, boxing the caster. Good news, right?

But doesn't the AOE occur before the caster is removed from play? So eCaine will take the POW10 hit and possibly die, killing your warcaster before the enemy's model is eliminated?

Just something I thought of and want confirmation that it works, so I can go hunting to make this scenario happen.

I think at worse you would die simultaniously.

 motyak wrote:
Here's the scenario. You have a damaged eCaine and you get a chance to assassinate the enemy caster. You gatecrash in and feat and start blazing away, boxing the caster. Good news, right?

But doesn't the AOE occur before the caster is removed from play? So eCaine will take the POW10 hit and possibly die, killing your warcaster before the enemy's model is eliminated?

Just something I thought of and want confirmation that it works, so I can go hunting to make this scenario happen.

The AOE happens when the enemy model is boxed, so worst case scenario, they would die simultaneously.

Then who wins with simultaneous death? I really want to make this happen ha

Its a draw of course.

I suppose you could continue playing for annhilation, all jacks just go inert etc... So its just what non-warjack/warcaster stuff is left on the table.

Huh. I forgot you go all explody. Lol

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its a draw of course.

I suppose you could continue playing for annhilation, all jacks just go inert etc... So its just what non-warjack/warcaster stuff is left on the table.

Well actually in a standard game if both casters die simultaneously nobody can win. The default win condition is having the only warcaster/warlock left and if you both lose yours nobody can ever fufill that condition. I don't think the standard game provides any guidelines for a draw, or what to do when nobody has a caster iirc. Presumably at that point the game goes on forever. I think the steamroller rules also forget to account for this, but in that case you'd just go to time-up and resolve points normally.

Chongara wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its a draw of course.

I suppose you could continue playing for annhilation, all jacks just go inert etc... So its just what non-warjack/warcaster stuff is left on the table.

Well actually in a standard game if both casters die simultaneously nobody can win. The default win condition is having the only warcaster/warlock left and if you both lose yours nobody can ever fufill that condition. I don't think the standard game provides any guidelines for a draw, or what to do when nobody has a caster iirc. Presumably at that point the game goes on forever. I think the steamroller rules also forget to account for this, but in that case you'd just go to time-up and resolve points normally.

Assassination Victory: When only one player owns
warcasters/warlocks remaining in play, that player
immediately wins the game. Conduct control point scoring
upon an assassination victory. This scoring does not
change game results (cannot lead to a scenario victory) but
affects scoring the game. If all warcasters/warlocks are
simultaneously destroyed, the game ends and victory is
determined using tiebreakers.

In Hardcore, however, I think you both lose

Just how I would play it, if you fail hard enough to kill yourself with your assassination run I'd say you lost. doesn't matter what the other person gets, you lose.

I'd say that the Caine player was the winner. The other caster is removed from play before the damage to Caine is applied therefore the opponent was destroyed first.

No the opponent is boxed, then you resolve the POW10. It doesn't say RFP first. I think it says the RFP the enemy model, but I can't remember exactly and my phone is a while away (War Room)

I checked the book and it explicitly says to place the template and then RFP and then resolve the unboostable POW 10 damage.

Technically he can, but it would only be relevant in a multi caster game.

Step 4 of the Damage Application sequence: If the model is still disabled, it becomes boxed. Resolve effects triggered by a model becoming boxed (in this case the placing of a template and the RFP of the enemy caster). As these are both active player effects, the active player would choose the order of resolution (as per the example in Prime with the Bloat Thrall). To be super technical you *could* choose to resolve the POW 10 roll before removing the enemy caster from play but I can't see this happening.

I have to say that the eCaine player wins.

The rule states the order in which the events are to occur. The model is boxed center the AOE on the model then remove it from play. Then any models in the AOE suffer an boostable POW 10 damage roll.

It does not read if an enemy model is boxed place the AOE models hit suffer an boostable POW 10 damage roll then RFP.

While it is possible that eCaine could kill himself the enemy caster has already been RFP therefore being "destroyed" therefore ending the game if it is not a multiple caster game.

If for any stupid reason you kill yourself with your own damn assassination run you should not be declared a 'winner'

Either Draw or you Lose

 Talamare wrote:
If for any stupid reason you kill yourself with your own damn assassination run you should not be declared a 'winner'

Either Draw or you Lose

Except you haven't killed yourself.

July 2012 errata:
P. 244. APPENDIX A.Add the following to the end of the second paragraph:
At any time two or more abilities are triggered at the same time, such as “attack hit” or “end activation,” the active player chooses the order in which abilities on his models resolve, then the inactive player chooses the order in which abilities on his models resolve.

In this case the AoE and RFP simultaneous abilities on an active model (Caine) and thus would presumably choose to resolve the RFP first. Enemy caster gone, eCaine wins, no resolution of the AoE is required.