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Okay, so, here's what's up:

As long as I've known, you've always had to do a whole squad's shooting at once. Declare fire, shoot, done. However, the rulebook doesn't mention how to work with models who can choose to fire at a different target. The whole 'squad shoot at once' thing isn't even actually a rule, at least, I can't really find it. It seems that the rule was mostly made to be common logic to us because 99% of the time, when we're shooting, everything shoots, and that's it.

With this in mind, would two Shas'ui from two different fire warrior squads be able to mark the target of the other fire warrior squad's shooting before either squad of fire warriors shoots? In other words, if Squad A shoots at Enemy A, and Squad B shoots at Enemy B, can Shas'ui A fire his marker at Enemy B, and Shas'ui B fire his marker at Enemy A, then after both markers have fired, have Squad A shoot Enemy A and Squad B shoot Enemy B?

I know the idea of this kinda grates against what we all sorta 'naturally' know about the rules, but I don't want the 'of course you can't' argument. I wanna find a specific place in the rulebook where it denies the ability to do it. Because honestly, it just seems like a no-brainer tactic and use for shas'ui with target lock and markers.

Thanks all!

No. The fact that one model fires out of sequence in a squad doesn't mean that Shas'ui A fires, Shas'ui B fires, Squad A fires and Squad B fires. Nothing allows you to start firing with Squad A, stop, fire with another squad and then come back to Squad B. The whole squad shoots at once rule is actually a rule as you fire with a unit not with select models as per page 12 and 13. Yes individual models may not fire or may split fire within a squad but they are still firing as a squad.

Read Split fire on page 43 of the USR section in the BRB and it tells you exactly how to resolve the shooting.

I don't have to quote you something to deny your ability to use this, you need to show permission to do so, that is the nature of a permissive rule set. If there is no permission to do something it cannot be done.

You have to declare and finish firing a squad at a time, You can't shoot some of A then some of B and return to A.

You know, I totally forgot to check out the Split Fire rule itself! Haha.

Yes, the Split Fire USR says that once the split fire is done, the rest of the squad fires, indicating no gap in time between them.


CORRECTION:

Target Lock is not Split Fire. Ergo, I now have no reasoning (apart from the 'just cause it says you can't doesn't mean you can' argument) that it's not permissible.

With the rules for Target Locks being worded the way they are, instead of granting Split Fire, allows Tau units/models that are equipped with Target Locks to "Split Fire" without having to first make a Leadership Test, as is required by the Split Fire rule.

Viratin wrote:
The whole 'squad shoot at once' thing isn't even actually a rule, at least, I can't really find it. It seems that the rule was mostly made to be common logic to us because 99% of the time, when we're shooting, everything shoots, and that's it.

It is a rule: you choose a unit that is able to fire and must complete the whole shooting sequence for it (RB p12, 'The Shooting Sequence'). You aren't given permission to move on to another unit without finishing the shooting sequence first.

This also prevents you from shooting one model at a time until you achieve the desired result, before declaring that you're firing at a different target. Likewise, it also prevents you from shooting one model at a transport and then shooting everyone else at the unit that disembarks from it as a result.

Viratin wrote:
You know, I totally forgot to check out the Split Fire rule itself! Haha.

Yes, the Split Fire USR says that once the split fire is done, the rest of the squad fires, indicating no gap in time between them.


CORRECTION:

Target Lock is not Split Fire. Ergo, I now have no reasoning (apart from the 'just cause it says you can't doesn't mean you can' argument) that it's not permissible.

You still have page 12 and 13 telling you a unit fires at the same time, the target lock doesn't let you get out of shooting at the same time. Treat it like space wolves long fangs and just declare your shooting.

Maybe this is place to ask this, its not to far off topic.

Who can take Network Markerlights?
I cant seem to find them as a unit option.

Nobody can take them, but two models come with them standard.

 Happyjew wrote:
Nobody can take them, but two models come with them standard.

Who are they, I cant seem to find them and I have gone though every page for the past hour,

Sky Ray and Bombers

 Happyjew wrote:
Sky Ray and Bombers

that exlains alot, the only two units i looked at

Instead of making a new post I thought I would ask here, since my question is related to MLs and TLs.

Scenario: Commander with ML Drones, Drone Controller, Weapons and Target Lock joins squad of Two Crisis Suits with Weapons and Target Locks and Drones of their own.

The weapons they have doesn't matter in this example.

The unit fires at an enemy unit that has 2 ML tokens on it. If I choose to use both for Pinpoint, which is the +1 to BS, the drones and commander go to BS7, while the Two Crisis Suits go to BS5.

All is well so far.

Question is, if the Commander and Crisis Suits decide to use their target locks, they are shooting at a different target. Do they still retain their BS7 and BS5, respectively?

Pinpoint says " All models firing at the target as part of this shooting attack gain a bonus to their Ballistic Skill for the duration of the shooting attack". Since they are choosing to fire at a different target, would they have to use different ML tokens to gain the effect?

Markerlight is very clear on why you get the +1 BS. If you don't fire at the target with the expended markerlight tokens you get nothing.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Markerlight is very clear on why you get the +1 BS. If you don't fire at the target with the expended markerlight tokens you get nothing.

One more for you then.

If the commander with DC fires at a different target and uses a ML token to boost its BS, do the drones also get the boost?

Viratin wrote:
The whole 'squad shoot at once' thing isn't even actually a rule, at least, I can't really find it.

BRB: Page 13, Paragraph 1.
" All models in the unit must fire at the same target".

4TheG8erGood wrote:

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Markerlight is very clear on why you get the +1 BS. If you don't fire at the target with the expended markerlight tokens you get nothing.

One more for you then.

If the commander with DC fires at a different target and uses a ML token to boost its BS, do the drones also get the boost?

While the rules currently allow it, I would not play it as such. They would still get his BS, just not the misusers.

I agree with happy, if I were a TO, i'd tell you to cop on but it seems to be RAW atm.