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I cant seem to beat my friends Dark Angels army with my ork army, I have tired speed freaks and Killa Kan wall.. My big issue with the Mek/swarm was he put a river right across my start zone and it ended up being an Ice river.. It locked down both sets of my Killa Kans.. I am trying to figure out with 1500 points what do against a Dark Angel with good shooting and 2 sets of 5 terminators and Bilial.. If anyone has a list that does well please share with me... Here is my list


if you cant download it here is a quick over view

3 sets of 30 shoota boyz

10 lootas

2 sets of 3 killer kans

Deff dread x2

2 big mek one Warlord so that my DD are troops

Kanz and Dreds are dead. See other topics started this week.

I'd use BikerNobz and more Lootas but your amount of Boyz are solid.

I beat a Banner list 2 weeks ago by shooting his banner squad with 12 Lootas and getting lucky and destroying all 5. Then my bikes, MegaNobz with Grotsnik and Boyz shot and charged his 15 Termies, including the T5 ones with Belial. 1 mobs of 30 Sluggas eventually took down Belial 5 T5 Termies and Librarian with Boyz to spare.

I switched out 5 Lootas plus 9 more points for 3 Lobbas in case I ever face that Banner again.

Huge numbers of Boyz.

Kanz are mediocre against Terminators because Terminators all carry power fists or thunder hammers and thus are well equipped to bash them into scrap metal.

Boyz don't care about power fists. Use Boyz.

I agree with the above just swarm him under with an ocean of boyz. Termies have serious problems with horde armies due to their low model count.

my 1500 all comer list is a horde list:

2 kff meks
4x 20 shoota boys
3x 9 lootas
2 koptas & 3 koptas with rokkits

without knowing what kind of DA's he's running its hard to list tailor for him. Not that we have many tailoring options

but with my list, I always get first blood and almost never give it up. the koptas help get crossing the line, and after that it's just a matter of taking out his HQ. Play the mission and the bonus points more than going for annihilation.

Lynch...Canada......ork list that looks a lot like the one that owned my dark eldar in a league game last week.

Ok, that’s all great info, I am also looking at Ghazghkull Thraka is maybe an HQ option what do you think of him? Is he to expensive? Anyway I will try and post a list on here today or tomorrow of a re worked one with weapons so you guys can help me out!


cobrajml

Ok so I came up with a list tell me what you guys think

Ghazghkull Thraka (warlord)

3 sets of Lootas x10

Meganobz x4 (troop option off ghazghkull)

Big Mek

2 sets of 30 shoota boyz including one nob boss pole

1 set of 25 shoota boyz including 1 nob. boss pole

I will attach the army list so you guy can get a better look at it too

raoiley wrote:
Lynch...Canada......ork list that looks a lot like the one that owned my dark eldar in a league game last week.

small world isn't it, I played a dark eldar guy in a league last week


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I'm not a fan of Ghaz at 1500, especially since you have your one power squad walking across the table. They should really be in a trukk to get them across the table quickly. But even then, they have a huge target on them that says everyone shoot those guys.

if you really want a solid deathstar, drop Ghaz for the mad dok, and cybork up the mega nobz and then they also get fnp.

for 30 man mobs, you really don't need the boss pole, and without taking a big choppa or power klaw for the nob, you really don't need the nob either. so at a min drop the poles for a big choppa.

cobrajml wrote:
I am also looking at Ghazghkull Thraka is maybe an HQ option what do you think of him? Is he to expensive?

I love it when Ork players say Ghazghkull is too expensive. They've probably never seen the costs of certain Space Marine HQs who can't hold a candle to Ghazkull as far as effectiveness goes (Ragnar Blackmane, I'm shooting glaring looks at you).

But he and his Meganobz are Slow and Purposeful meaning they can't run and will be the last to reach the enemy if they make it that far. I'd try to squeeze in a Battlewagon for them ride in.

Although it is true yes Ghaz and his mega nob friends take a lot of fire, so a battle wagon is ideal. (i loath trukks xD) People are way to fast to call him expensive, i agree with wilytank. He can almost beat anyone, and if you are not sure pop 2++ for TWO rounds of assult. Just my thoughts on Ghaz then again our meta gaming can be very different. I think he has more promise then he is given is all try what YOU think is fun that is what it is all about.

"I love it when Ork players say Ghazghkull is too expensive. They've probably never seen the costs of certain Space Marine HQs who can't hold a candle to Ghazkull as far as effectiveness goes (Ragnar Blackmane, I'm shooting glaring looks at you). "

Any BA HQ in 6th edition.

well, I was actually going to use him in the unit of Meganobs, Hmm getting him across that table was not what i was thinking, he usually drops his 5 terminators and Belial right on top of my warlord to get the points.. So I am thinking he will be in combat in the first few rounds with out actually moving him.


cobrajml

3x 20 boys in Battlewagons. Drive straight forward, Deffrolla everything, steal his 4++ and make it yours.

Yeah I have a new build with one Battlewagon, 2 sets of 30 boyz, 3 sets of 10 lootas, 4 meganobs, Ghazghkull, and mek nob i will let you guys know how it works. I am thinking running only 2 set of lootas, and 3 sets of 30 boyz but we will see.

I've been playing a lot of Dark Angels and this list has been good for me:

Warboss: power klaw; shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon; warbike; cybork body; bosspole. 145

15 Lootas 225
15 Lootas 225

6 Nobz: Painboy; 3× big choppa; 2× power klaw; 6× shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon; Waaagh! banner; warbikes; cybork bodies. 440
11 Gretchin: +1 Runtherd. 43

Dakka Jet: additional twin-Linked supa shoota. 120
Dakka Jet: additional twin-Linked supa shoota. 120

3 Big Gunz 60
3 Big Gunz 60
3 Big Gunz 60

1,498 points

Just blow your opponent off the map, use your Bikerz as a fast response unit to deal with threats. If you really want to deal with termies, drop one unit of big gunz, and upgrade the other 2 units to Zzap Gunz.

For me at least this has been a good list vs DAs.

mrfantastical wrote:
I've been playing a lot of Dark Angels and this list has been good for me:

Warboss: power klaw; shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon; warbike; cybork body; bosspole. 145

15 Lootas 225
15 Lootas 225

6 Nobz: Painboy; 3× big choppa; 2× power klaw; 6× shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon; Waaagh! banner; warbikes; cybork bodies. 440
11 Gretchin: +1 Runtherd. 43

Dakka Jet: additional twin-Linked supa shoota. 120
Dakka Jet: additional twin-Linked supa shoota. 120

3 Big Gunz 60
3 Big Gunz 60
3 Big Gunz 60

1,498 points

Just blow your opponent off the map, use your Bikerz as a fast response unit to deal with threats. If you really want to deal with termies, drop one unit of big gunz, and upgrade the other 2 units to Zzap Gunz.

For me at least this has been a good list vs DAs.

I would split your loota's into 3 squads to maximize the amount of targets you can shoot at and hopefully average out those times you roll 1 shot per loota. Also gives 3 targets to shoot at to take em out and to charge requiring more attention from your opponent also if you kill something with the first 7 loota's then you don't waste the rest of the shots. Downside would be you are not fearless to start however my lootas usually get enough attention that they would not be fearless for long anyways.

pepe5454 wrote:

mrfantastical wrote:
I've been playing a lot of Dark Angels and this list has been good for me:

Warboss: power klaw; shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon; warbike; cybork body; bosspole. 145

15 Lootas 225
15 Lootas 225

6 Nobz: Painboy; 3× big choppa; 2× power klaw; 6× shoota/skorcha kombi-weapon; Waaagh! banner; warbikes; cybork bodies. 440
11 Gretchin: +1 Runtherd. 43

Dakka Jet: additional twin-Linked supa shoota. 120
Dakka Jet: additional twin-Linked supa shoota. 120

3 Big Gunz 60
3 Big Gunz 60
3 Big Gunz 60

1,498 points

Just blow your opponent off the map, use your Bikerz as a fast response unit to deal with threats. If you really want to deal with termies, drop one unit of big gunz, and upgrade the other 2 units to Zzap Gunz.

For me at least this has been a good list vs DAs.

I would split your loota's into 3 squads to maximize the amount of targets you can shoot at and hopefully average out those times you roll 1 shot per loota. Also gives 3 targets to shoot at to take em out and to charge requiring more attention from your opponent also if you kill something with the first 7 loota's then you don't waste the rest of the shots. Downside would be you are not fearless to start however my lootas usually get enough attention that they would not be fearless for long anyways.

My problem with 3x10 Lootas vs 2x15 is 10 Lootas don't do enough damage from what I've seen (not to mention the fearless buff). I almost always have to have a second unit fire at the same target, and now I've used 20 lootas. 15 Lootas is the magic number for me that give just enough shots to finish off vehicles, put wounds on MC's, cripple units, etc. Very rarely have i had a moment with 15 lootas where Ive said, "that was a waste of shooting". Even rolling the dreaded 1-2 for number of shots hasn't been that bad because there's only a 25% difference between rolling a 3-4 with 10 lootas.

It's a preference thing.

I do like that idea of shooting army with 3 sets of big gunz. they are very cheap for so much fire power. Protecting them against there deep strike might be an issues... So i might add 2 sets of 30 shoota boyz to intercept them.

Dark Angels will rip apart MSU armies, but will drown if faced with blobs. As others have stated, your best advice is to spam boys. The DAs don't have enough attacks, templates, or pieplates to deal with massive hordes reliably and the law of averages dictates that those pretty armor saves will fail sooner or later.

We've got whirlwinds. No-one uses them but we have them.

 Blaggard wrote:
We've got whirlwinds. No-one uses them but we have them.

True that. I have been lookin to make a DW list with some whirlwind support to deal with the fact that DW are generally inadequate at killing blobs of gurd, orks, nids, etc. But whirlwinds can bring the pain all day long and let the DW go after better targets. And they are cheap as crap (75pts?) I think.

BUT that is not the point of this thread. I hope that I can be of service, as my two armies are Orks and Dark Angels. I would have to know what his list is like, but Orks should have an easier time against a deep strike DW army than a gunline with banner in my opinion. The trick is that you want to make sure he gets his terminators into combat as late as possible, especially if he is deep striking. A unit of 30 shoota boyz can crank out so many hits and wounds that it should be able to drop the termies when they inevitably fail their 2+ save. Add into the mix the fact that you get all those overwatch shots and you should still fair OK. The trick is killing them fast enough so that you don't stalemate. If he uses Deathwing Knights, these may be a bigger problem. Their maces can rip your boyz apart, and their T5 shield lock ability makes wounding them very tough. I would recommend using your lootas for these guy as much as possible, and then if they get into a squad of boyz, try and move on. Chances are that you will just fight them all game long and not gain much ground. But they can't kill enough boyz fast enough usually to make a difference. They are also not a scoring unit so you don't have to worry about them claiming objectives etc.

Battlewagons are ok against DW, but they can get a pretty good deep strike at rear armor and pop them with cyclones and assault cannons etc. If he has a more gunline army, then getting in and amongst him with your battlewagon bunkers is probably going to be effective, as you drown him in bullets.

- VardenV2

Ok this has been very enlightening I am playing a DA army today, I will field

30 lootas either 3 sets of 10 or 2 sets of 15

Big meck with KKF

60 shootas boyz, two sets of 30 with a nob and 3 big shootas

4 mega nobs and Ghazhhkull Thraka (Want to try him even if he is over priced). No battle wagon,


instead I am thinking 3 killa Kan with Grotzooka x3

Ghazzy is very nice just make sure he gos after the big unit that costs the most points in his army while his WAAAGH has been switched on as he will get a 2+ Inv when he WAAAGH's.

The only problem I see is that he is slow and if you walk him on foot he is a big target that is going to be littered with shots and pie plates.

Other than that the list seems to be pretty decent .

Hope this helps .

So you think the battlewagon is a must? It will probably blow up halfway across the field, I was actually thinking of holding him back to deal with his Bilial try to get A kill on his WB right away for the points, but I am not opposed to putting him in a BW and running him across the field to talk out some of his shooters and librarians.

I didn't say put him in a BW, I said if he was on foot he will get peppered by load of shots and pie plates so I recommend that you give him a good amount of protection such as KFF and keep that KFF with Ghazzy until Bilial arrives then go for him. Either way your gonna need some sort of cover save or save that will give him more than just a 5+ Inv while that is good the volume of shots peppered at him will be most likely too much for him.

Ok all solid advice, i might go BW and move him to the other side of the field quick and just use my shoota boyz to kill Bilial, I guess it will depend on if he is going first or not.


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I would like to thank everyone for there awesome advice! I WON my first warhammer match against DA. My lootas eat his face and had half his army dead by the time turn one was done!! and he chose turn two for his deepstrike so he was pretty much cut down to nothing before his deepstirke.. Thanks again guys!