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HQ
Chaos lord MON
80

Troops

Plague marines x6
champion with a gift of mutation, combi melta, 2x melta guns, Melta bombs, Rhino, dozer blades,dirge caster, VOLW
240

Plague marines x6,
champion with a gift of mutation, combi plasma, 2x plasma guns, Rhino, dozer blades, dirge caster, VOLW
245

Plague marines x6,
champion with a gift of mutation, combi plasma, 2x plasma guns, Rhino, dozer blades, dirge caster, VOLW
245

10x chaos space marines,
MON, 1+CCW
180
10x chaos space marines,
MON, 1+CCW
180

Cultists x10
8 autoguns =8
MON=20
78
ageis defense line
quad gun
100

FAST ATTACK
1x Heldrake
170

HEAVY
Predator, lascannon sponsons
Havoc launcher
127

Predator, lascannon sponsons
Havoc launcher
127

3 Oblitorators, MON
228


alright so tell me what you guys think i want this list to be fairly competitive and be able to take on all comers.


The plan is to have the plague marines move down the mid field while the regular chaos marines move up the sides while the cultists sit behind the ageis defense line with the lord. while the heavy support take out AV 13 and AV 14 and the heldrake will take out transports and infantry.

A couple things.
I can understand trying to keep the lord cheap, but you can definitely find some points to give him a power weapon at least. It is totally worth it to try and keep your warlord from being punked in CC. ( also recommend giving him AoDG)

I would drop the VolW on the PM, at least the plasma squads since they aren't going to be your assaulty squad, and personally I find combi plasmas to be too expensive for one shot.

As for the CSM squad, at least take a couple of flamers for 10pts.

Cultists do nothing but sit and die, so I would drop the autoguns.

Nothing wrong with the Ageis or Oblits, (just don't be afraid to get in the thick of things with the oblits, if all you are going to do is sit back and shoot, there are cheaper ways to get a couple lascannons a turn.)

As far as the Predators go, they are a pretty solid choice, also I would get rid of the havoc launchers, with the short range (24" if memory serves correct) and the fact that you cant snap fire it if you move, I have never found them very useful.

I can see this being a fun list to run, and can be competitive, I just feel it needs a bit of tiddying up with a few options.

couple things... i second that you should put some kind of weapon on the lord. As it is he just seems like a tax for the plague marines.

you can lose the combi weapons, gift of mutation is useless nine times out of ten, so are dozer blades and dirge casters. VOLW is nearly useless on plague marines since they get to re-roll against toughness 4 troops anyway from poison and they're fearless.

add some special weapons to the CSMs, at least one plasma per squad or something that reflects their role... assuming they stay backfield maybe a ML...

drop MON on cultists... waste of points...

predators, make either las-pred (with twin-linked lascannon) or dakka-pred (hvy bolter sponsons), that way you are assured not to waste a gun shooting at something it can't hurt, and will probably kill a vehicle you shoot with las rather than just taking off a hull point and missing.

drop havoc launchers except for on a dakkapred, same principle.

Oblits, should always have VOLW and really consider what you want to do with them, they should be advancing up the field, if they are just hanging out behind the aegis get havocs w/autocannon instead and move the lascannons to the preds. Aegis would be better with some havocs behind it, you get more use out of it. In fact by dropping the oblits and swapping for havoc, you'd easily get the points for twin-las upgrading the tanks.

alright so thanks for the advice so heres what i came up with

HQ
Chaos lord MON, sigil of corruption power sword
120

Troops

Plague marines x6
+1 =
champion with a gift of mutation
combi melta
2x melta guns
Melta bombs
Rhino, dozer blades
dirge caster
VOLW
240

Plague marines x6
+1 =
champion with a gift of mutation =
combi plasma =
2x plasma guns =
Rhino, dozer blades=
dirge caster =
239

Plague marines x6,
+1 =
champion with a gift of mutation =
combi plasma =
2x plasma guns =
Rhino, dozer blades=
dirge caster =
239

10x chaos space marines,
MON, 1+CCW, 2x flamer
190
10x chaos space marines,
MON, 1+CCW, 2x plasma
210

ageis defense line
quad gun
100

FAST ATTACK
1x Heldrake
170

HEAVY
Predator, lascannon sponsons
Havoc launcher
127

Predator, lascannon sponsons
Havoc launcher
127

3 Oblitorators, MON, VOLW
237

1990/2000

alright so thanks for the advice so heres what i came up with
and heres why
keeping the combi plasmas will get in to rapid fire range 6 shots (from the squad) so that alone is averaging 3 wounds not including the bolter fire
and keeping the havoc launcher would help avoid the weapon destroyed because i will be rolling between 4 weapons instead of 3
so now i have 10 points left over where do you thin they should go.

I'd use the spare ten points to give your Plasma toting Plague Champs melta bombs. There really isn't much else you need or can afford. Also, keep the Havoc Launchers. 48" range twin-linked small blasts make my IG friend cry over his dead Heavy Weapons Teams.

Yeah, I like the Preds (just LC sponsons, I like the AC on it) better than the Oblits because of the new rule of not being able to use the same weapon two turns in a row. But one unit of Oblits with 2 Preds is pretty solid, as the Oblits give you versatility.

Personally, I would drop the Plasma from the CSM squad and the flamers from the other and go melta guns for both. Flamers feel like such a waste on BS 4 troops, but that is where a Combi-flamer actually works really well. Give these squads melta bombs as well for MC/Walker CC protection.

To be honest, I would put Combi-meltas on the Rhinos. They pop the transport, marines then shoot the troops.

Are the Dozer blades worth the 5pts for a re-roll for Dangerous Terrain rolls? I actually thought you meant Destroyer Blades at first and was like, 'Ahh... neat little combo with the Dirge Caster'. Then I read it and Death or Glory is not a Overwatch shot. You do know you can't assault after dismounting from the Rhino, right?

List looks pretty good otherwise.

New list look solid, I would tweak a few things tho.

Lose the GoM on the pm champs, they are very expensive for what you get, especially on a unit champion. Give one to your Lord for flavour.

Lose VotLW on the plasma pm. Their role is to sit back and make smoldering holes in the enemy troops, keep it on the melta unit, and maybe a power axe or fist on the champ. (Note: VotLW gives reroll to hit, poison gives reroll to wound so it is not useless as stated earlier in the thread).

Lose Dirgecasters on a couple of Rhinos. Maybe keep it on the one with the meltasquad.
Dozerblades are great imo.

If the only reason you have for buying Havoc launchers on the Preds is to minimize the weapon destroyed risk, then why not get combibolters and save 7 points on each Pred?

alright so i think this is the final version unless you guys see something else


HQ
Chaos lord MON, sigil of corruption power sword ichor of blood
125

Troops

Plague marines x6
+1 =
champ gets a power fist
combi melta
2x melta guns
Melta bombs
Rhino, dozer blades
dirge caster
VOLW
255

Plague marines x6
+1 =

combi plasma =
2x plasma guns =
Rhino, dozer blades=
dirge caster =
229

Plague marines x6,
+1 =

combi plasma =
2x plasma guns =
Rhino, dozer blades=
dirge caster =
229

10x chaos space marines,
MON, 1+CCW, 2x melta
200
10x chaos space marines,
MON, 1+CCW, 2x melta
200

ageis defense line
quad gun
100

FAST ATTACK
1x Heldrake
170

HEAVY
Predator, lascannon sponsons
Havoc launcher
127

Predator, lascannon sponsons
Havoc launcher
127

3 Oblitorators, MON, VOLW
237

1999/2000