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So,
I have a metal terminator captain that I have had for years on a small base (because that is what it came on in 3rd edition.)
dang thing never stood up very good, and I have always wanted to put him onto a larger base.
I recently got an extra 40mm base and just got done putting my captain on it.
Then I realized that some people might call me out on a captain being on a larger base.
So my question is to you, do you think it is legitimate/legal for my captain to be on a 40mm base in terminator armour. (like other terminators) Or is it "illegal" because a captain is supposed to be on a smaller base. OR! does it not even matter, because we are just having a good time? (meaning, will most people not care or what-not.)

Thanks!

Terminators all come on 40mm bases now. So you might get called out on it if you have him on a 25mm. But, since you bought them on a 25mm and there is no rule saying that termies had to be on a 40mm base you could go either way with it. No one would have a problem if you did put him on a 40mm base (and I doubt anyone would really know he came on a 25mm originally unless you pointed it out) and I doubt anyone really cares anyway. Now it would be illegial to put them on a 25mm if they came on a 40mm though.

I had a bunch of 3rd Ed metal termies that I switched to 40mm bases. Here is a cool idea, glue the 25mm base to the 40mm base and glue the sand around it to make it look like your captain is standing on a small hill. Did that for all my termie characters.

Thanks for the help, Davespil.
Yes, i did think of the base-on-base action, but was a little late and had already ripped off the 25mm. oh wells, i was sick of that blasted little thing.

Shouldn't be a problem. If it's the model I'm thinking of, it was upgraded to a 40mm base already:

The rules require models to be based on the base with which they are supplied.

But having said that, very, very few players care so long as the base you use looks appropriate. And in cases where the model has been supplied with different sized bases over time, it kind of throws everything out the window, rules-wise.

Most people these days just assume that terminators have 40mm bases, and so will expect it anyway.

Ah, yes, that is the model. Thank you, Super Ready.
good to see that it is indeed upgraded to the 40mm.
He stands up so much better on the bigger platform.

Thanks for all the friendly replies.

 insaniak wrote:
The rules require models to be based on the base with which they are supplied.

Not the case any more...! Page 3 - now it's only "assumed", and you have permission to use a different base size using equivalent models for comparison. It was 5th where you had to use the base supplied.

Amounts to the same thing. If the rules assume that models are on the correct bases, then mounting them on anything else results in something that is outside the rules.


Again, in the vast majority of cases, that's not going to be a problem, so long as you're not silly with it.

 insaniak wrote:
Amounts to the same thing. If the rules assume that models are on the correct bases, then mounting them on anything else results in something that is outside the rules.


Again, in the vast majority of cases, that's not going to be a problem, so long as you're not silly with it.

So I guess the second sentence in that paragraph on page 3 is not to be read at all. Unless the great and powerful Insaniak can indicate what an unusually modeled base is in the Citadel range one assumes that its a non-citadel base or a modified (heaven for fend) citadel base that's ostentatious and elaborate.

but no, no one should mind that he is mounted on a 40mm, it is the current TDA base size so if any thing they will see it as more fair game play wise.

 Bausk wrote:
So I guess the second sentence in that paragraph on page 3 is not to be read at all. Unless the great and powerful Insaniak can indicate what an unusually modeled base is in the Citadel range one assumes that its a non-citadel base or a modified (heaven for fend) citadel base that's ostentatious and elaborate.

The great and powerful insaniak has no idea what you're on about.

Pointing out that sometimes players use non-standard bases does not grant permission to do so, it just acknowledges that people do it. The rules assume that you are using the correct base.

 insaniak wrote:

 Bausk wrote:
So I guess the second sentence in that paragraph on page 3 is not to be read at all. Unless the great and powerful Insaniak can indicate what an unusually modeled base is in the Citadel range one assumes that its a non-citadel base or a modified (heaven for fend) citadel base that's ostentatious and elaborate.

The great and powerful insaniak has no idea what you're on about.

Pointing out that sometimes players use non-standard bases does not grant permission to do so, it just acknowledges that people do it. The rules assume that you are using the correct base.

'Assume' =/= 'Must'

Saying that they are the same thing is simply wrong. I'm personally happy so long as its the appropriate size for the model being represented or the base it was supplied with.

 Bausk wrote:

'Assume' =/= 'Must'

I already addressed that.

If the rules assume you are using a certain size base, then using a different size base drops you into a situation that the rules were not designed for.

Well GW seem fond of the 'Most Important Rule', so you could use that in this case.

Of course that would be totally bonkers.

To my knowledge there are no terminator models supplied with anything but 40mm bases today. Not saying that once upon a time they didn't come with something else but currently no terminator is supplied with non 40mm bases.

A friend of mine has 3 very old obliteror models. The sculpt was smaller and came on 25mm bases back in the day. We insisted, because obliterators are currently supplied with 40mm bases, that he get some 40mm bases for his models. This was mostly due to the fact that he used both old and new models and was getting an advantage when deep striking the smaller bases (significantly smaller footprint = less chance of a mishap) The perfect solution was to just stick the model and its 25mm base on a 40mm base. Gave it the smaller foot print and brought the model's height up to the same as the new sculpts. With very little engineering a magnet could have been fitted inside the 25mm base and a metal plate in the 40mm base to keep them modular, but he elected to just glue them together.

Using old sculpts and doing impressive conversions can result in some modeling for advantage arguments. I'd really like GW to have handled this better, especially when the GK codex basically tells you to do some conversions for your warbands and other units with no official models.

 DJGietzen wrote:
To my knowledge there are no terminator models supplied with anything but 40mm bases today. Not saying that once upon a time they didn't come with something else but currently no terminator is supplied with non 40mm bases.

A friend of mine has 3 very old obliteror models. The sculpt was smaller and came on 25mm bases back in the day. We insisted, because obliterators are currently supplied with 40mm bases, that he get some 40mm bases for his models. This was mostly due to the fact that he used both old and new models and was getting an advantage when deep striking the smaller bases (significantly smaller footprint = less chance of a mishap) The perfect solution was to just stick the model and its 25mm base on a 40mm base. Gave it the smaller foot print and brought the model's height up to the same as the new sculpts. With very little engineering a magnet could have been fitted inside the 25mm base and a metal plate in the 40mm base to keep them modular, but he elected to just glue them together.

Using old sculpts and doing impressive conversions can result in some modeling for advantage arguments. I'd really like GW to have handled this better, especially when the GK codex basically tells you to do some conversions for your warbands and other units with no official models.

Conversions are allegedly against the rules....still yet to find the rules on Modeling myself though.....

 Bausk wrote:
Conversions are allegedly against the rules....still yet to find the rules on Modeling myself though.....

Well it is a permissive ruleset agreed?

There are no rules allowing conversions, and since it is a permissive ruleset, and we are only allowed to do what the rules tell us we can do, and since the rules do not say we can convert models...

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Bausk wrote:
Conversions are allegedly against the rules....still yet to find the rules on Modeling myself though.....

Well it is a permissive ruleset agreed?

There are no rules allowing conversions, and since it is a permissive ruleset, and we are only allowed to do what the rules tell us we can do, and since the rules do not say we can convert models...

But the book does show us how to...

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Bausk wrote:
Conversions are allegedly against the rules....still yet to find the rules on Modeling myself though.....

Well it is a permissive ruleset agreed?

There are no rules allowing conversions, and since it is a permissive ruleset, and we are only allowed to do what the rules tell us we can do, and since the rules do not say we can convert models...

My point being there are no rules for modeling as there shouldn't be. You could play this game with matchsticks glued to cardboard, I have,and the rules would work. Of course you'd have to write what the matchstick was on the cardboard to avoid confusion, but the point stands. There are no rules for modeling because there is no need for rules for modeling, if you or the TO doesn't like how something is modeled and you can't work around it then don't play the person or allow them to use the models. The rule set only assumes you are using citadel models, it does not require you to nor does it allow you to. So quibbling over what is allowed is a subjective subject best left for case by case interpretation.

After all, as open ended as citadel models is you could use any citadel model in warhammer 40k and it would be 'permitted'.....like say the cardboard killercan from the 2nd ed box set for instance....bet that would be a fun model to use with its 3mm side facing.

 DeathReaper wrote:

There are no rules allowing conversions, and since it is a permissive ruleset, and we are only allowed to do what the rules tell us we can do, and since the rules do not say we can convert models...

I hope you haven't assembled any of your models then. 'Rules' for assembling models are in the exact same place as 'rules' for converting models.