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Company Command Squad: Astropath; 2× sniper rifle; Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon). 110
Lord Commissar 70

8 Sanctioned Psykers 100
8 Sanctioned Psykers 100

Platoon Command Squad: 4× flamer. 350
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
Platoon Command Squad: 4× flamer. 350
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; sniper rifle; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).
• Infantry Squad: +1 Sergeant; ; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon).

2 Vendetta Gunships 260
1 Vendetta Gunship 130
1 Vendetta Gunship 130

Manticore Rocket Launcher 160
Manticore Rocket Launcher 160

Aegis Defence Lines: gun emplacement with Icarus lascannon. 85

2,000 points

Pcs in vendettas
Hold up behind ADL
Lord com mans Icarus
Infantry squads perhaps blob with commie in one and close to another

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I wonder if you brought enough lascannons... I think if you swapped the blob and veteran lascannons for autocannons you'd be more flexible. Also, that frees up 60 points, and if you drop the psykers, that's another whole manticore.

Manticore > PBS.

Also, not sure why so many snipers, grenade launchers or flamers might be a better choice.

 
   
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Auto cannons just don't make up their points for me. Maybe it's my meta which is mostly meq / teq / and nids monstorous creature spam.
The mantis serve as horde control.
The PBS has made there points up numerous times scaring people off the board and they give you Death Star protection.


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Worst case scenario the PBS is another cheap template


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My blobs rarely see assault action in this edition or maybe it's just my meta but this is the "shooting" edition. And I have horde control covered in other places.
Grenade launchers are a good option but snipers are just fun and are long range to go well with the cannon spam

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WI

Three things...
Are you blobbing your PISs?
Anyone riding in the Vendettas?
Who is manning the Quad gun?

@Ghastli
GLs suck, period. You keep pushing them, but how you wounded any amount of flamers that are T 4 with a Str 3 weapon with a few shots just tells me your either insanily lucky or you were looking at the missle launcher entry instead of the GL entry..

I like sniper rifles because of the Rending rule, makes sense if your fighting a ton of high Toughness MCs or even a lot of Terminators. Though one can argue that plasma does the same thing, better without the random rolls of needing a 6 to wound. I feel ACs match up better with Sniper Rifles because they are similar in Str profile, specially against vehicles. If you fire those LCs against any 12+ AV vehicles, your just wasting the Sniper Rifle then. The PCS, for example, should be all sniper rifles or 2x Sniper rifles and a AC. Throw plasma guns in with any squads with lascannons. Throw ACs with Sniper Rifles/melta guns.

If your blobbing your PIS, where are the Commissars to keep them from running? Why do you not have a banner in your CCS for Leadership re-rolls? Your infantry are glass cannons, you can not ignore the morale factor concerning IG unless your in Chimeras... then you don't care, as a dead Chimera = dead squad 90% of the time. Foot Guard need Ld support.

Personally, I use a Lord Commissar on my Icarus LC on a ADL. I can even issue him orders if I do not use the intercept to make him twin linked ('Bring it Down!'). He is BS 5 and 80pts with a Camo Cloak, sitting behind a ADL... I am not going to bother spelling that out, but after seeing your CCS, I might have to... You don't like giving your Warlord a 2+ cover save? Do you even use Orders? For what you are telling me, 'Fire on my Target!' and 'Bring it Down!' should be used every freaking turn. A Lord Commissar gives a Leadership bubble of 6" for Orders, Morale, and pinning tests. Heck, you can even attach him to a squad (if you don't mind the risk of him blowing out the brains of someone on a failed roll) and give them Stealth as well. But he really shines with HWSs surrounding him (like LC HWSs). And get Forward Sentries on that Vet squad, for Pete's sake.

Speaking of Orders and a crap ton of units you can be giving orders to, why do you not have Creed then? Outflank your 2 Vendetta Squad and issue 4 Orders a turn. So you don't use 'For the Honor of Cadia!', eh... most are scared to be in melee as IG anyways, even though they are still decent with Power Axes and Melta bombs. And from what your telling me about your local meta, this is something you should be doing.

Vendettas with SWSs with 3 flamers or even 3 meltas (with a demo charge in there now and then) make excellent suicide troops. Grav Chute insert them in as you fly off the board and they could wreck something. IF not... they are cheap.

If your trying to win by throwing as many LCs as possible against your opponent, your doing it wrong. If your argument is "They run away when shot", you lose 2.5 per squad and they still run away along with your special weapon. IF you have a 50 man blob, getting 11 guys killed is still scary because your rolling 8 or less on two dice. With that many squads like that with such terrible Leadership, your going to be running off the board after the first barrage weapon hits. Think of this... 105pts for a LC HWS, at Ld 10 because of a Lord Commissar, Twin linked because of a Order... that is how you should be looking at that. Your squads absorb more fire power because the Commissar and the Banner give you a re-roll on leadership... oh wait, you only get one re-roll? Guess I will use the Banner and not worry about my Commissar killing my sergeant.

Sometimes a few less squads to make the ones you have better is the best route.








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The argument over infantry squads over hws is an interesting one.
Take a HWS and lose models instantly when shot at not to mention instant death. Or take a infantry squad and have some bubble wrap. I Prefer the latter.
I rarely combine infantry squads as I like to give my opponent more targets to shoot, not one big target. Kill one infantry squad and there are still others. "Everything is expendable" I believe this is the guard slogan.
I am in no way saying that I have out this list together perfectly, and your argument over leadership is definitely a good one. And one I will have to work out.
I will say that you can only put so many hws around a commisar. And the ccs is a far more competitive hq choice.
And if course I utilize orders, but almost 100 PTs for creed is pricey.



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Vendettas are empy.
Jr commander (platoon commander) mans quad


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I do agree with your weapon grouping as well, as this is something I have not put enough thought into

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