Australia & Gun Control's Aftermath, Gun Control & Political Suicide, Gun Control Whoop-de-doo

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easysauce wrote:
canada has plenty of guns, and isnt a blood bath,

all the aussies I know think they are worse off without the ability to defend themselves, broad daylight home invasions have become something to fear, since the crooks know no aussies can defend their home, and the crooks still ahve guns.

russia bans civilian guns, yet has had plenty of mass murders in schools, .

they have seen events much worse then in america, one notable event, saw over 150 dead, in a country that bans civilian guns

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/russian.school.html

how is this possible when guns are banned in russia?

how is making a law forcing non crimnalsto not own guns, affecting the criminals who break the law in the first place and have guns already despite current laws already prohibiting them having them?

why do people assume a crook willing to break the laws against murder/theft/him owning a gun with a record/ect will follow a law that says he double plus cannot own guns?

Canada still has a lot less gun than the US (and pretty much any developed country does) also isn't comparing the US to Russia a bit dishonest wouldn't it be better to compare it to more similar nations like the UK, France, Canada, Australia, etc.

2 links you might want to look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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Why I don't think Russia is a fair comparison is because Russia is much more politically corrupt than the US and is considered by some definitions a developing country, if you want to make a better comparisons you should be comparing it to actual developed countries (which is what the

US is).

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easysauce wrote:
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Why I don't think Russia is a fair comparison is because Russia is much more politically corrupt than the US and is considered by some definitions a developing country, if you want to make a better comparisons you should be comparing it to actual developed countries (which is what the

US is).

russia is a 1st world country, with a longer history then the states... not even clost to 3rd world,

and not more corrupt then the states, you just hear more about how corrupt other countries are, because your own media isnt going to tell you how corrupt your country is.

or you just have not been paying attention to things in america like LIBOR, bear stearns, all the ponzi schemes, senate seats being sold, and so on so forth.

I would be quicker to place the US as a 2nd world country then to place russia as a 3rd world one.

as it stands, both are super powers, both are 1st world, both are corrupt, more or less

both experiance the fallout from this crime/corruption

yet the states can do all this and still live up to the ideals that the government is for the people, by the people, of the people

IE the government does not have more rights then its citizens, even with regards to gun ownership.

even if we do assume the pretense that russia is more corrupt, why is that?

could it be that a government that does not fear its people, will be more corrupt then one that does?

russia can do whatever it wants to its people, and they have no way to fight back, so that could lead to this corruption you are talking about.

In america, the politicians at least know that the public has teeth to bite with if they get pushed to far.

Being a superpower doesn't mean you're a developed country and the 3 world theory is more relevant to Cold War politics and has more to do with which countries were with the USSR, the US or neutral.

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I think it's safe to say there's something wrong with the US when it comes to gun politics and culture if they need to compare their stats to politically unstable/corrupt developing countries in order to look OK.

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HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
wat.

That is easily the most bizarre thing I've read all month. Broad daylight home invasions? Crooks running around with guns terrorising the defenseless populace?

It's like some alternate dimension dystopian Australia.

You mean Mad Max isn't a realistic depiction of Australia?

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2 problems I have with that vid is England and whales maybe using definitions for violent crime that are different from the FBI's US stats and that crime has been going on a downward trend in pretty much all the developed nations (as far as I'm aware) not just the US. But the issue is that the

US has much higher gun violence than other countries not that it's crime is plummeting like the rest of the developed world, other than that the idea that the number of large metropolitan areas is effecting crime is interesting theory and might be viable. But then if you go compare countries

like Australia and Canada which have fewer large metropolitan areas than the UK but more lax gun laws, Australia and Canada do still have a bigger amount of gun violence so I don't know how far you can really take this metropolitan theory. And yes I understand his vid is about violent

crime in general and not just gun violence, but It's a lot harder to make a comparison of you go through all the types of violence especially if every country has different definitions for them and also gun violence tends to be the deadliest and have a higher kill-count than other types of violence.