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I've made a few refinements to my previous CSM list, mostly changing Huron for Abaddon. Anyway take a look,

HQ

Abaddon the Despoiler – 265pts

Troops

15 Chaos Space Marines – 250pts
- Close Combat Weapons x15
- Meltagun x2
- Gift of Mutation
- Lightning Claw

10 Chaos Space Marines – 195pts
- Plasmagun x2
- Combi-Plasma
- Gift of Mutation
- Power Weapon

Fast Attack

5 Raptors – 140pts
- Plasma Gun x2
- Gift of Mutation
- Lightning Claw
- Plasma Pistol

Heavy Support

3x Obliterators – 210pts

Allied Imperial Guard
HQ
Primaris Psyker -70pts

Troops
Infantry Platoon -175pts
- Platoon Command Squad
- Plasma Gun x3
- Infantry Squad
- Infantry Squad
- Special Weapons Squad

Heavy Support

Vulture Gunship – 155pts
- Punisher Cannons

Total: 1460 Points

I used this list for the first time last night against a pretty competitive Necron list. Due to a model shortage I was 3CSM short, meaning that I was at a roughly-150 point disadvantage (I found out that my opponent was 50pts over), and I was pretty impressed with how it performed, managing to take First Blood, Warlord and the Relic. My overall plan is to join Abaddon to the 15 CSM unit and use them as my main powerhouse unit, supported by the other CSM. The Guardsmen are there to hold the rear lines and objectives, the Psyker provides some psychic support and the Vulture is an excellent unit at outflanking the enemy, hitting rear armour etc. The Raptors hopefully DS behind enemy lines, crack open a tank with 2x Meltaguns and hopefully score Linebreaker if they survive, which they usually do.

So, any thoughts on this list? I'm a bit stuck as to what to spend the last 40pts on. I could give MoK to the 15CSM, giving them Rage for 4 attacks on the charge each.

No comments?

I don't play Chaos so I can't say much about most of that.

Just couple of things: if you can afford, give Rhino for those 10 marines, so you can get quickly to the nearest objective and defend it until the rest of your forces arrive.

And I've heard some people tell me that those Obliterators are useless. Well, maybe not useless but still pretty expensive.

A Chaos unit I've seen getting good results is Plague Marines.
Take a squad of 5-10, give couple of meltaguns and put them in Rhino, it will be relatively cheap for effective elite-choice

Well with the games I've had so far, I'd disagree that Obliterators are useless. Maybe they were thinking of Mutilators. Expensive yes, but far from useless. The thing with the Rhinos though, is that I can only take one as the squad of 15 can't take one. This means that with only one transport it shouldn't be hard to pop it, making it a lot easier to lose First Blood. As for the Plague Marines, I've never really been a fan of them, probably as I prefer the FW PG models which are a bit out of my price-range, although if I bumped the list up to 1750-2000 points I'd consider a squad or two.

Oh yes, might have been Mutilators now when I think of it.

Even with single tanks I've usually have good results. With plagues, you would have two of them, wich is better of course. But with decent speed and smoke they have a nice cover save and usually one makes it past 1st round at least.

CSM squads of more than 10 models can take a rhino, they just can't get in it until they lose enough models. Do a fifteen man squad could take a rhino, but until 5 guys died they couldn't embark on it.

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CSM Codex, pg. 95
The unit may take a Chaos Rhino as a Dedicated Transport (pg 99).

That's pretty much what I meant. It'd be pretty pointless to take a Rhino and then have it slog beside the guys waiting for 5 to die. Even so, they wouldn't be able to embark anyway due to Abby's Terminator Armour.

Drop the imps, use cultists! You can get many many many more for those points. Use a lvl 2 sorcerer instead of the psyker and get him to boost the cultists with slaanesh powers or even biomancy/telekinesis powers. There is your scoring units for dirt cheap and can tie up almost any enemy unit for 2-3 turns easily while abbadon and his boys maim burn and kill!

Imps >cultist bcuz of comissars, commands, access to heavy weapons, ect...

4 squads of 10 vs 1 squad of 35 using up 1 troop slot n only counting as 1 scoring unit vs 4.


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N get a vendetta in the list if you have it.


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Oh n take a land raider to transport aby n csm or deep strike him with oblits.

Y not divide the 15 csm into a 10 men in a rhino n a 5 men running behind rhino? U will get another spec weapon n champ.