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Hey guys I have a rules question for you all.

If you check out/read the new SoB faq it answers the same question, twice, two different ways, regarding act's of faith and allied ic's.

Since I'm not sure if I can post the actual wording of the faq here I will post a direct link to it instead:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2570049a_Sisters_of_Battle_v1.1.pdf

Now my question to you all is, do allied ic's attached to a sisters unit that passes an act of faith roll benefit from the act of faith?

Thanks for your input.

Hah, that's awesome!

I would say IC in Sisters squads don't, but if a Sister IC joins an ally then she brings the Faith to them.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
I would say IC in Sisters squads don't, but if a Sister IC joins an ally then she brings the Faith to them.

This is about as clear cut as it gets. I don't see the issue?

 xlEternitylx wrote:

This is about as clear cut as it gets. I don't see the issue?

"Q: Do Acts of Faith affect allies who have joined or been joined by
Sisters of Battle independent characters or units? (White Dwarf,
August 2011 Page 94)
A: Yes."

Do Acts of Faith affect allies who have joined ... Sisters of Battle ... units.
Yes.

And then a newer question addressing only that point that answers it no.

So they have answered the same question twice, opposing ways, as the OP said.

Kind of. The older question is referring to allied units joined by a SoB IC. The newer question is referring to allied ICs joining a SoB unit.

It's the FAQ, it's freely available so there's no harm in posting it. Here are the conflicting entries:

Q: Can allied Independent Characters benefit from Acts of Faith if they
have joined an affected Sisters of Battle unit? (p29)
A: No.

Q: Do Acts of Faith affect allies who have joined or been joined by
Sisters of Battle independent characters or units? (White Dwarf,
August 2011 Page 94)
A: Yes.

It's horribly horribly worded but I *THINK* I see the intent here. Notice how, in the former entry (the newer one), the wording is "affected Sisters of Battle unit". Specifically - the unit is already affected at the time the IC joins.
In other words - the IC only benefits if they're already in the unit when the Act of Faith is carried out.

 Super Ready wrote:
It's the FAQ, it's freely available so there's no harm in posting it. Here are the conflicting entries:

Q: Can allied Independent Characters benefit from Acts of Faith if they
have joined an affected Sisters of Battle unit? (p29)
A: No.

Q: Do Acts of Faith affect allies who have joined or been joined by
Sisters of Battle independent characters or units? (White Dwarf,
August 2011 Page 94)
A: Yes.

It's horribly horribly worded but I *THINK* I see the intent here. Notice how, in the former entry (the newer one), the wording is "affected Sisters of Battle unit". Specifically - the unit is already affected at the time the IC joins.
In other words - the IC only benefits if they're already in the unit when the Act of Faith is carried out.

After looking at it a bit closer I think (maybe more so want) this to be the 'correct' answer. I think if it comes up I'll just talk to my opponent about it before the game and ask how they want to play it.

Thanks everyone.

It's probably very limited, because, correct me if I'm wrong, only IG are BB with Sisters. I don't see too many scary combos between an IG IC joining a SoB unit. (Maybe I'm not thinking hard enough)

A little bit of thread necromancy here, but my question relates directly to this part of the Sisters FAQ.

Scenario 1: An Imperial Guard infantry blob (massed Infantry squads or maxed Conscripts) is led by an IG IC (for sake of argument, say a Lord Commissar). This unit is joined by an allied SoB Canoness, before charging. At the appropriate point in the Assault phase, the Canoness triggers her Act of Faith.

Who benefits from the Act's special rules? The entire unit? Or just the Canoness and the Infantry blob, but not the Lord Commissar?

Scenario 2: Kyrinov now joins the unit. If the Canoness makes future attempts to trigger her Act of Faith, does she still benefit from his special rules as regards rerolling attempts and recovering spent Faith?

All opinions and anecdotes of how this has come up in your own play are welcome

Mythal wrote:
Who benefits from the Act's special rules? The entire unit? Or just the Canoness and the Infantry blob, but not the Lord Commissar?

Everyone does. Once joined, Independent Characters are considered part of the unit and usually benefit from, and are taken into account for, any rules that specify the "unit" rather than the "model" (for instance, Feel No Pain, Stealth and even things like majority toughness and cover saves). The first of the two FAQ questions confirms this is still the case with Acts of Faith.

Scenario 2: Kyrinov now joins the unit. If the Canoness makes future attempts to trigger her Act of Faith, does she still benefit from his special rules as regards rerolling attempts and recovering spent Faith?

I don't see why not... unless something in Kyrinov's rule mentions that it can only benefit units of "Sisters of Battle". I don't have the rules myself, how is it worded?

That was my interpretation of the first scenario, but I didn't want to think I was being overly optimistic in that.

Regarding Kyrinov, he is treated as having two pieces of equipment. The one regarding the reroll simply refers to 'the unit', while the other refers to when 'any sisters of battle unit within 12" of [his model] successfully makes an Act of Faith' - hence the ambiguousness. It is the canoness who makes the Act of Faith, not the Guardsmen.

I think the problem is this. Look at the old FAQ update. It references page 29, which I believe is referencing the old codex. The newer FAQ references White Dwarf p 94.

This leads me to believe the newer FAQ is what applies and that GW (shockingly) was lazy in their editing and did not delete out the older FAQ.

A guard unit joined by a Sisters IC is NOT a SoB unit - it is a guard unit. This is because "for all rules purposes" the IC is a normal member of the unit
Same as an Eldar unit joined by a DE IC is still an Eldar unit, etc.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
A guard unit joined by a Sisters IC is NOT a SoB unit - it is a guard unit. This is because "for all rules purposes" the IC is a normal member of the unit
Same as an Eldar unit joined by a DE IC is still an Eldar unit, etc.

That was the way I was leaning on the issue of Kyrinov's Laud Hailer. The Simulacrum Imperialis rule decription, however, doesn't mention Sisters of Battle units at all. So the RAW would be that Kyrinov's presence as an additional IC in the Guard Unit, alongside a Canoness, would allow her to reroll her Act of Faith check, but wouldn't allow her to regain the spent Faith Point. Yes?

If regaining it requires her to be in a Sisters unit, then while sheisnt in a Sisters unit she cannot regain it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If regaining it requires her to be in a Sisters unit, then while sheisnt in a Sisters unit she cannot regain it.

The canoness has her own act of faith that she can attempt whether she is in a unit or not. However, she would need a 4+ under normal conditions (5+ base plus 1 for being a canoness). If the unit she is in takes a casualty, it would drop to a 3+. And, the wording of the +1 to your roll is for the unit taking a casualty. It makes no reference to said unit being a sisters unit.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:
A guard unit joined by a Sisters IC is NOT a SoB unit - it is a guard unit. This is because "for all rules purposes" the IC is a normal member of the unit
Same as an Eldar unit joined by a DE IC is still an Eldar unit, etc.

This would only apply to the Laud Hailer aspect of Kyrinov as it references "any sisters unit."

The Simulcrum aspect simply says you may reroll any act of faith attempt. (Kyrinov would need to be in the unit for this to work, so this point is moot twice over.)

I wasnt disagreeing with what is and isnt affected, I was just showing how you find out whether a unit is a sisters unit or something else.

A sisters IC attached to a non-sisters unit is NOT a sisters unit.

Once you know your status the rule can then be easily applied. Page 39 for the IC rules btw

I don't see the conflict.

To me it says if Marbo joins a Dominion squad he will not receive the AoF bonus of holy fusilade. But if a Canoness joins an IG squad, they will receive her AoF bonus.

Marbo's a one man army, he doesn't join any squad!
(he's not an IC)

 deviantduck wrote:
I don't see the conflict.

To me it says if Marbo joins a Dominion squad he will not receive the AoF bonus of holy fusilade. But if a Canoness joins an IG squad, they will receive her AoF bonus.

Q: Do Acts of Faith affect allies who have joined or been joined by
Sisters of Battle independent characters or units? (White Dwarf,
August 2011 Page 94)
A: Yes.

This is the one that references the new codex. The other one references a page that does not exist (i.e. old codex.). So, hypothetically, Marbo would receive it if he was allowed to join a squad.

Overall, I do not see this as much of an issue. None of the benefits from AoF would be gamechanging to the IG units that would affected. The meanest one I could think of would be to join a canoness to an infantry squad, giving them +1 intiative (watch out now) and more importantly, preferred enemy.

The canoness is the only IC with an AoF and the only AoF that specifically mentions "her unit" so yea, that's the only one that'd work here