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I'm new to the game and would like pointers on my 1850. Should I get a big gun kannon for template support? Less wagons and more footsloging? Get rid of ghazz for kff? Let me know if you're experienced. Looking for something competitive

This is what I've got:

X1 Ghazzy
X2 Battkewagons /w 19 shoota boys and nob /w PK and boss pole
X1 battlewagon /w 17 sluggas /w nob /w PK and boss pole (ghaz in here)
X6 lootas
X2 deff koptas
X1 dakkajet
X6 biker nobs with a warboss and pain boy (4 nobs /w 2 PK and 2 big axes, 1warboss /w squig and PK, pain boy that gives all cybork)

Total is 1843. Basically speed freaks with dakka and missile support

Looks good, if you're purely trying to be competitive loose the deffkoptas and invest in more lootas.

Ok thanks so the loss to big armour penetration ok still with my pks then?

In an objective heavy game should I leave wagons out and sit on them or go offense?

Rokkits are no reliable way to hurt vehicles. Deffguns RoF makes them more favourable even if its S7 Ap4. They will deal to anything up to AV12 relatively well, beyond that a klaw will pretty much always be required. For an objective game the wagons are still good as you can unload at the end to claim/contest objectives. The only thing you may want to look at is getting something to stay at home. So maybe a unit of gretchin seeing as they're cheap.
Also with 8pts spare, you might as well chuck a bosspole on the nob bikers.

Thanks, ok so stay in wagon for armor and shoot out, then unload turn 5,6,7 to capture. Sounds good ill grab gretchin for the cheap 45 points. Are gretchin good for objective stealing only or are they viable as a meat shield?

I dont think they will be exactly stealing objectives. Normally people just leave them at the home objective as they're are a couple of wounds to get through for cheap. You would probably be more likely to contest the objective rather than claim it off them with grots though.

Thanks for tips. Any other powerful units you recommend as someone with experience? Zagstruk and 5-10 boyz? Big gunz good?

What you have at the moment are the best units you can really get. Being; shootas, lootas, dakkajets, nob bikers. There are of course other options that are still reasonable, its just competing for FOC slots and points with the likes of these so if you are to take them, it would be more on a basis of that you purely want to rather than have the most competitive army possible. Big guns are good, I like them, stormboys however aren't so fabulous. Introductions of overwatch have hurt them and so they are now over priced for what they do. The most viable way to run them however would be with zagstruk. Gretchin are surprisingly good, although they dont do much its just cheap scoring wounds, they're also good for manning fortifications due to their BS3 and cost. Deffrollas are useful on battlewagons, but the other upgrades not so much. Of course extra guns are always nice, it just depends how points work out for you.

If going against horde army is one big gun enough?

Good to know my list is solid


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Also is Zagstruck + 5 storm boys enough to soak up d3 assault loss and over watch so Zag gets attacks in?

AmazingSandwich wrote:
If going against horde army is one big gun enough?

Good to know my list is solid


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Also is Zagstruck + 5 storm boys enough to soak up d3 assault loss and over watch so Zag gets attacks in?

You want atleast 10 stormboyz, 15 is best tough.

Cool, I'm trying to figure min so I can have a hard target suicide unit.

Anyone with thoughts on Kannons as big guns? How many and when

I'd change Ghazzy for a normal war boss with PK, BP, 'Eavy armor and Cyborg body. I've learned on multiple occasions that Ghazzy is never worth that many points. he's fun to field but he always disappoints IMO. you'll have about 100 more points to spend on lootas and other goodness.

Kannons... 9 of them all the time for any situation ever. Their tough as nails, the soak up fire like no ones business and they lay down blasts and solid 8 ap3 shots... All of that for 180 points... Best 180 points of my army.