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Hi guys. Necrons have this royal court thing where you can assign a character to each squad(overlord, cryptek).

My question here is. If a Cryptek is assigned to a squad of immortals.

- Do I have to take the cryptek out to get the Victory point for that unit? Or just the Immortals?

- If they are seperate, do the cryptek award another victory point? or the royal court as a whole counted as 1 VC? (Means I have wiped off all their character he assigned to all the units).

- If The unit as the whole is killed, including the cryptek. does he still roll for his reanimation? There is nothing left in the squad.

My cousin play necrons. We've been having dispute over this for quite some time now.

The way he see it the cryptek is like a Space marine sergeant equivelent in the squad.

If the cryptek needs to be killed to earn the Victory point for a squad of immortals. Thats make necrons a very victory point denying effective(with all the good armour save, invul save and reanimation).

kissmymom wrote:
Hi guys. Necrons have this royal court thing where you can assign a character to each squad(overlord, cryptek).

My question here is. If a Cryptek is assigned to a squad of immortals.

- Do I have to take the cryptek out to get the Victory point for that unit? Or just the Immortals?

- If they are seperate, do the cryptek award another victory point? or the royal court as a whole counted as 1 VC? (Means I have wiped off all their character he assigned to all the units).

- If The unit as the whole is killed, including the cryptek. does he still roll for his reanimation? There is nothing left in the squad.

My cousin play necrons. We've been having dispute over this for quite some time now.

The way he see it the cryptek is like a Space marine sergeant equivelent in the squad.

If the cryptek needs to be killed to earn the Victory point for a squad of immortals. Thats make necrons a very victory point denying effective(with all the good armour save, invul save and reanimation).

There is some debate on the subject but this is the way most people play it because of how wolf guard are played.

- Do I have to take the cryptek out to get the Victory point for that unit? Or just the Immortals? You need to kill the Royal Court member.

- If they are seperate, do the cryptek award another victory point? or the royal court as a whole counted as 1 VC? (Means I have wiped off all their character he assigned to all the units). If there are no members actually in the royal court at the start of the game it is not present to be a victory point. If one or more are left as an RC than it is its own independent unit and will give up a VP if killed.

- If The unit as the whole is killed, including the cryptek. does he still roll for his reanimation? There is nothing left in the squad. Yes everliving rules say he gets a roll even if no similar models are left. There is an ongoing debate on if everliving counters sweep.

Thank you. I agree that it is very debatable. But even with 1 wound. These royal court member is very hard to take down. Making Necrons one of the most resilient race(They have always been one) But it just makes it easier to deny killpoints now.

Have moved you over to YMDC.

tgf has accurately described how I generally see it played locally, at regional events here in the Northeast, and at National events.

The Lord or Cryptek, if assigned to a unit, counts as a member of that unit for all purposes, and is thus scoring (if attached to a Troop unit) and does not give up the KP if he manages to stand up. He does not allow other models in the unit to make RP rolls, though, if they've all been knocked down, as the Necron rules specifically forbid that.

I concur with the assumptions that you need to kill the unit AND the attached Lord(s)/Cryptek(s) to finally obtain the complete kill point for the squad being destroyed.

The Cryptek/Lords are like Wolf Guard Pack Leaders more than Space Marine Sgts. They are previously of another unit, but now become part of the pack they lead.

Thank you guys! Jesus Necrons are a tough bunch!

you need to kill every model in the royal court to get VP or KP for it (after all it is still its own unit that is just split at the start of the game)
so fi he takes 3 crypteks, thats 3 units you gotta get into.

 Zheak wrote:
you need to kill every model in the royal court to get VP or KP for it (after all it is still its own unit that is just split at the start of the game)
so fi he takes 3 crypteks, thats 3 units you gotta get into.

That isnt how the rules work, as the unit (RC) never existed in that game. If you split 3 crypteks into 3 units, then each unit you completely kill, including the cryptek, is work one 5th edition Kill POint / 6th edition Victory point.

Its the same for Wolfguard and splitting them into units. If you totally split the WG unit down then no unit existed so no VP can be claimed for it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If you split 3 crypteks into 3 units, then each unit you completely kill, including the cryptek, is work one 5th edition Kill POint / 6th edition Victory point.

Its the same for Wolfguard and splitting them into units. If you totally split the WG unit down then no unit existed so no VP can be claimed for it.

This. Or for another similar thing blobbing up five IG infantry squads in your platoon so they're a unit of 50 men. They're now one unit and awards the points for destroying one unit, not points for five. Or marine combat squads - a marine unit will give up points for both the combat squads only if they decided to split up.

well damn.

ive been playing it wrong all along then Dx
thanks for the clarification, i guess i just assumed that since i was taking it in a sub hq slot it counted for its own unit

It does, if you actually deploy it as such on the table.

I've always played the RC members are being part of the unit till all the other members are gone then they form a small RC of their own. Simply put I do it because of the Ghost Ark cheese. If the lord/cryptek were part of the warrior unit then as long as he stands up I can continue to add warriors to the blob.