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To start off, I'm a daemon player. That's what I'm thinking as my main detachment.

And you're thinking "Desperate allies! Heaven forbid!"
But I've got two things against that:

1) They're now scoring as per the BRB FAQ
2) I'm an all assault army (that's the way i play just btw), they are an all shooting army... There's not going to be much field space overlap. Aka i will only be within 6" maybe for deployment and that's it. I'm going to be up the field assaulting while they sit at home base shooting.

But both of these can work to my advantage. Daemons are probably hands down the best assault army in the game.
Tau are probably hands down the best shooting army in the game.

That's why I'm thinking they would work well with eachother.

But anyway onto the detachment:

HQ
Commander - 197
Stimulant Injector, Drone Controller, Command and Control Node, Multi Spectrum Suite, XV8 Crisis Battlesuit, Puretide Ingram Chip, Neuroweb System Jammer, One Marker Drone

Troops
Fire Warriors (6) - 54

Fast Attack
Pathfinders (5) - 55

Heavy Support
Broadsides (3) - 282
HYMP, Two with target Lock, One With Early Warning Override, Six missile Drones

Fortification
Aegis Defense Line - 100
Quad Gun


I mean the whole thing works out to 688 point including the fortification. But as everyone knows, the Missilesides can be a little ridiculous. Here's what i figured they can do in one turn (with a tiny bit of markerlight support):
-Kill a Dreadknight
-Kill a Tervigon (without the help of the split firing broadsides, aka they could shoot at something else)
-Kill 29 Orks (splitfiring to kill 9 without markerlights)
-Kill 31 guardsmen (splitfiring to kill 10 without markerlights)
-Kill 10 space marines
-Kill 5 terminators
-Kill three AV10 vehicles
-Kill three AV11 vehicles
-Kill two AV12 vehicles
-Kill two AV13 vehicles
-Intercept and kill an AV11 flyer
-Intercept and do 3 HP off an AV12 flyer, forcing it to jink or die and then downing it next turn

All of this except for the intercepting stuff will ignore cover, so that means all of this killiness will reliably happen each turn if so i choose.

This is such a points investment, but i would only be playing it if i was playing 2500, maybe even 2k. And this stuff will be survivable as well, With the T5, W4, FnP commander sitting in the front toting a 2+ armour and 4+ cover (2+ if they need it, which won't be that bad really because next turn they will up their BS with markerlight support), as well as 6 other T4 2+ armour wounds and 7 other ablative wounds in the squad. Broadsides by themselves don't really need the markerlight support, it just makes them a lot more killy if they have it

But the cool thing with daemons is that they will be protected against assault. They pretty much only way to take all of this firepower out is to assault them. And with the powerful assault capabilities of the daemons, that should never happen. The assaulting unit would get charged before they even got close, and most likely die. Plus if they opt to shoot at the broadsides, they take fire off of the charging daemons. And, the overwatch from this unit would be disgusting. Most likely because i would stick the unit of pathfinders within 6", and hopefully nab a markerlight on overwatch. Even without, this unit can deal a surprising amount of pain on overwatch. 7 S7 AP4 hits without markerlights. If i got a markerlight hit, that would up to 13 S7 AP4 hits on overwatch. Plus i could stick a flamer on the commander for 5 points and he could add in on the fun.

Keep in mind that this detachment adds one more scoring unit in the scouring and big guns. So in 2 out of the 5 objective based missions i would have 2 more scoring units from this detachment. And another 2 out of the 5 wouldn't need more scoring units (relic and emperors will).




I know most of this is just me tooting my own horn, but i would like to see what the opinions of people are here about this allied detachment. More specifically, i would like to here criticisms about this and how a competitive list would deal with this. How would your competitive list deal with this?

Looks good, similar to what I run with my Harle-assault Eldar. My suggestion:

Drop from this:
Stimulant Injector, Drone Controller, Command and Control Node, Multi Spectrum Suite, XV8 Crisis Battlesuit, Puretide Ingram Chip, Neuroweb System Jammer, One Marker Drone

To this:
Command and Control Node, Multi Spectrum Suite, Puretide Ingram Chip.

Lots of unnecessary points blown in a commander. Just stick him in the back and let the missile drones take the shots.

thisisnotpancho wrote:
And you're thinking "Desperate allies! Heaven forbid!"
But I've got two things against that:

1) They're now scoring as per the BRB FAQ

The BRB FAQ refers to Allies of Convenience and makes it very clear they are scoring and denial units.

And remember that the Drone Controller doesn't affect Missile Drones.

Other than that, trim points like the above poster suggested and yeah it makes a decent ally. Just won't be scoring.

4TheG8erGood wrote:

thisisnotpancho wrote:
And you're thinking "Desperate allies! Heaven forbid!"
But I've got two things against that:

1) They're now scoring as per the BRB FAQ

The BRB FAQ refers to Allies of Convenience and makes it very clear they are scoring and denial units.

And remember that the Drone Controller doesn't affect Missile Drones.

Other than that, trim points like the above poster suggested and yeah it makes a decent ally. Just won't be scoring.

But desperate allies act exactly like allies of convenience, except for the one eye open rule. Therefore they are scoring.

But yea, i could trim like 42 points off of this without the XV8 and the FnP, That might actually make the detachment a bit better. The point of the marker drone and drone controller is to fire the quad gun on BS5 with the marker drone so that the commander doesn't have to shoot and the squad can fire everything and not have to waste a shooting attack on the quad gun.

Thoughts?

thisisnotpancho wrote:

But desperate allies act exactly like allies of convenience, except for the one eye open rule. Therefore they are scoring.

pg. 123 LRB "Desperate Allies are treated exactly like Allies of Convenience. Furthermore, if your primary detachment is in a desperate allience, units form that allied detachment are non-scoring, non-denial units"

I don't think the FAQ changed that part.

But I won't argue with you anymore here on it!

I like your thoughts with the ML drone and Quad gun. But remember, you can easily have the Commander do some BS5 Intercept action then not fire in your own turn to use his buffs. Just an idea!

Dang, yeah. I didn't see that they couldn't score. I think i might just trim those points and add a portalglyph to my main detachment to spawn more scoring troops.

Thanks for the advice!

But yeah, i still think that this detachment is pretty unstoppable with daemons.



Still, anyone have any types of armies that this would have trouble with?

Vanilla Sternguard Pods, Combi-Meltas will absolutely eat it.

IG - a Larger target of every single Pire Plate in an army there is not

a full combo Wraithwing-Airforce, due to there being way too many things coming in to hit them all

Other Tau




but other wise, its a good allied detachment