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Jarl Olaf Shieldbreaker’s Sepp (7th) Great Company

Jarl Olaf Shield breaker (Wolf Lord)
Runic Armor, Wolf Claw, 2 x Fenrisian Wolves, Belt Of Russ, Thunderwolf mount= 230 pts

Olaf’s Retinue
Thunderwolf Cavalry x5+ Storm Shield x2+ Power Fist+ Melta Bombs x5= 335 pts

Squad Ein
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Banner+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Melta= 165 pts

Squad Tvier
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 165 pts

Squad Prir
Rune Priest “Nils Greybone“ + Chooser of the Slain+ Wolf Tail+ Runic Armor= 135 pts
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x8+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 150 pts

Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts
Rune priest "Kjartan Iceblood"+ Chooser of the Slain (Divination)= 110pts
Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts

Lone Wolf+ Mark of the Wulfen+ 2 Fenrisian Wolves= 55pts

Rhino (contains Squad Tyier)+ Dozer Blades= 40 pts

Rhino (Contains Squad Prir)+ Dozer Blades= 40 pts

Drop Pod (Squad Ein)= 35 pts

ALLIES: 95th Cadian Rifles

Lord Commissar Ephraim Richter+ Power Sword= 80 pts

The Chosen Men
Veteran Squad+ 3 Melta Guns+ Vox Caster= 100 pts

Maiden Squadron
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Joan of Arc”+ Rocket Pods= 130 pts
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Boudicca”+ Rocket Pods+ Lascannon= 145 pts
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Hippolyta” + Rocket Pods= 130 pts

2514 Total

I've made some changes to the list and I wanted some more opinions. Please forgive any math errors or other mistakes.

.What are you planning to do with your Wolf Lord is he joining a squad, out by himself. Because as much as I love the frost blade being +1 to S as the next guy, I have been running my wolf lord with a lighting claw or poweraxe now for either if I want crowd sweeper or big shot killer. I would say get rid of the dozer blades. And I see that you don't have a command squad or platoon command sqaud so the vox caster is pointless. Everything else, seems good and a fun list to run

Olaf is joining the thunderwolf squad. I would run him with a wolf claw and a storm shield, But I like the extra attack.

So I'll get rid of the vox caster. Save's me points.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:

Jarl Olaf Shield breaker (Wolf Lord)
Runic Armor, Frost Blade, 2 x Fenrisian Wolves, Belt Of Russ, Wolf Tooth Necklace= 245 pts

I think you forgot his thunderwolf mount. Either that, or you've overpaid by 45 points.

Also...If you're just using a a frost blade and bolt pistol (AP3) you really don't need a wolf tooth necklace. If you're attacking something that only has a 3+ armor save, then you already hit it on a 3+ anyway. My advice is to run the wolf lord like this...


if you want to go AP3. Or else like this



if you want to go AP2.

Olaf’s Retinue
Thunderwolf Cavalry x5+ Storm Shield x2+ Power Fist+ Melta Bombs x5= 335 pts

Very nice. You probably don't need the melta-bombs though. If you go after a vehicle, then 5 melta attacks isn't nearly as good as five S10 power fist attacks + 20 S5 rending attacks.

Squad Ein
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Banner+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Melta= 165 pts

Squad Tvier
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 165 pts

Squad Prir
Rune Priest “Nils Greybone“ + Chooser of the Slain+ Wolf Tail+ Runic Armor= 135 pts
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x8+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 150 pts

The Rune Priest doesn't need the wolf tail talisman. He can already nullify an enemy psychic power on a 4+ with his rune weapon and he can't use BOTH that AND his 6+ wolf tail talisman. So obviously, there's no point in spending 5 points on something you won't use.

Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts
Rune priest "Kjartan Iceblood"+ Chooser of the Slain (Divination)= 110pts
Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts

I would save 40 points and do 10 missile launchers. The lascannons probably aren't needed, but put them on the Valkyrie's if you really want them.

Lone Wolf+ Mark of the Wulfen+ 2 Fenrisian Wolves= 55pts

Rhino (contains Squad Tyier)+ Dozer Blades= 40 pts

Rhino (Contains Squad Prir)+ Dozer Blades= 40 pts

Dozer blades are unnecessary.

Drop Pod (Squad Ein)= 35 pts

You probably want to go with either 3 rhinos or 3 drop pods. With a single drop pod, you're basically just throwing one of your squads away.

ALLIES: 95th Cadian Rifles

Lord Commissar Ephraim Richter+ Power Sword= 80 pts

The Chosen Men
Veteran Squad+ 3 Melta Guns+ Vox Caster= 105 pts

Maiden Squadron
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Joan of Arc”+ Rocket Pods= 130 pts
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Boudicca”+ Rocket Pods+ Lascannon= 145 pts
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Hippolyta” + Rocket Pods= 130 pts

2534 Total

Is anyone really going to play a game that big with you? I have trouble getting people to play 1850 points. But if you DO play at 2500 points, you should really have a lot more than just 4 troops.

Ok I see what you are doing with him, ok makes a lot sense, all reding attacks, might want to add he has a TW mount.

 Haskell wrote:
Ok I see what you are doing with him, ok makes a lot sense, all reding attacks, might want to add he has a TW mount.

Actually, the wolf lord's attacks won't be rending because he has the frost weapon.

Frost weapons nullify that now, time to fix some list then, thanks for correction there Grugknuckle

I know everyone tells me the wolf claw and storm shield option is the best way to go, but I think the claw looks kind of goofy. If it is really the best way to go, the I guess I can just say he's using a wolf claw, even though his model has a frost blade.

Oh well. So much for having my frosty blady cake and eating it too.

The reason why I sometimes run a wolf claw instead of the frost blade, is because 5 points cheaper, shred, and its AP 3. If you check out my gallery my wolf lord has a frostblade, I'm debating to make him magnetic so I can do swap outs and stuff. 5th edition RB the Frostblade was the sh*t(pardon my language) and I love it, but with 6th edition its not the same. I'm not saying that you have to go wolf claw, I look at everything at points and how I can save more. If they made frostblades/axes cheaper I'd probably use them more. I personally I don't like the stormsheild, i take the pistol so i have one extra attack because that one more attack can make a difference.

So a wolf claw and a pistol? Ok I can do that. Or if I wanted to be super fluffy I can make up a special frostblade that is essentially a wolf claw that looks different. Cause i'm just that much of a dork.

Haha xD there you go! I mean it totally fair. Logan has an ax which is either a powerfist or frostblade, Just let your opponent know, the guys, at my the place I play at, just say what's he has and remind. I agree I only like how wolf claws look on WG Terminators, not on PA units. Point wise, it save 5pts, many cases 5 points has helped me buy other stuff. If its such a big deal to people they are both AP3.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:
So a wolf claw and a pistol? Ok I can do that. Or if I wanted to be super fluffy I can make up a special frostblade that is essentially a wolf claw that looks different. Cause i'm just that much of a dork.

No. You can't have an extra attack with the wolf claw unless you take two claws. The pistol doesn't give an extra attack to wolf claws, power fists and thunder hammers.

What I'm saying is that the wolf claw doesn't need an extra attack because it gets to re-roll to wound. Percentage-wise, 6 attacks with a frost blade (at S6) will cause the same amount of wounds as 5 attacks with a S5 wolf claw. Except, that the wolf claw is cheaper and allows you to take a storm shield (3+ invuln) as opposed to the Belt of Russ (4+ invuln).

A wolf claw+ Storm shield and a frost blade + a belt of russ is the same amount of points. It's really down to a 3+ invul or an extra attack. Unless I'm wrong.

Yes. But the 3+ Invuln is obviously better than a 4+ invuln.

 Grugknuckle wrote:
Yes. But the 3+ Invuln is obviously better than a 4+ invuln.

Ok you obviously come down on the +3 Invuln side of the fence. Does anyone think that another attack is better than a 3+?

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:I know everyone tells me the wolf claw and storm shield option is the best way to go, but I think the claw looks kind of goofy. If it is really the best way to go, the I guess I can just say he's using a wolf claw, even though his model has a frost blade.

Oh well. So much for having my frosty blady cake and eating it too.

Statistically, the re-rolls to-hit with the Wolf Claw is what makes it so much better than everything else. More hits == more wounds.

But FYI, RAW your guy has to be WYSIWYG. So for friendly games, by all means pretend its whatever you want but let your opponent know before you guys even deploy. And at a tournament it won't fly.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Ok you obviously come down on the +3 Invuln side of the fence. Does anyone think that another attack is better than a 3+?

A 3++ Save is a lot better than a 4++. Its a 5 point difference between the Belt of Russ and a Storm Shield. You should always take the Storm Shield. 1 Attack doesn't make that much difference, especially if you have a Wolf Claw.

But you think you have it bad? I have an awesome model of a WGBL on Thunderwolf with a [b]Frost Axe[b/]. In 5th edition it just was a +1 S power weapon. Now? My Initiative goes down the drain and he's no longer able to charge into a Tactical Squad solo and wipe out half of them. Still even worse: it costs the same as a Power Fist. So both are Unwieldy and AP 2, but one makes me S6 and the other S8. Ouch. Also, being able to strike before Initiative 4 models was the entire reason I even took him. :(

Mind you, he looks like a bad ass. So sometimes style over substance, but it still hurts to have his effectiveness diminished because of purely aesthetic reasons...

Anyways, let's look at the rest of your list:

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Thunderwolf Cavalry x5+ Storm Shield x2+ Power Fist+ Melta Bombs x5= 335 pts

Ditch the Meltabombs. Your Rending is good enough, as is the S10 Power Fist. Storm Shields depend on what your enemies typically bring as to how worth it they are. Awesome for blocking Lascannons, lame if a Punisher Cannon is what is aimed at you. Be sure you position your Storm Shield models appropriately for what is in front of them.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Squad Ein & Tvier
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Banner+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Melta= 165 pts

I don't like the Power Fist. What are you going to use it on? Its only good against Dreadnoughts and other Initiative 1 things. MCs get treated as Characters so can challenge you. Either you accept the Challenge and get murdered because you are Initiative 1 or you don't accept and are unable to attack at all with it. I have serious problems with it personally. I'd rather take a Power Sword and Meltabombs. Maybe a Frost Blade.

It helps if you list the transport with the unit by the way. Almost didn't see that you have one in a Drop Pod and another in a Rhino.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Squad Prir
Rune Priest “Nils Greybone“ + Chooser of the Slain+ Wolf Tail+ Runic Armor= 135 pts
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power Fist+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x8+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 150 pts

You could save yourself the points and ditch the Wolf Guard for this squad. Though its nice to have a throw away for Challenges... The Rune Priest is good enough for the leadership bonus, if you insist on taking two Rune Priests. I'd recommend taking a Wolf Priest personally. 110 Points for Fearless and Stealth (with Saga of the Hunter) AND Preferred Enemy? Yes please!

Mixed feelings on the Runic Armor, but that may just be my past prejudice. Against things that will be striking at the same time as you, it can be nice because they are likely only AP 3 at best. But anything unwieldy is AP2 and ignores it and there are many things that have a lot of attacks and strike faster than you. You end up in a Challenge with them and your Runic Armor may not be useful at all. So this depends entirely on what your enemies are fielding in your area.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts
Rune priest "Kjartan Iceblood"+ Chooser of the Slain (Divination)= 110pts
Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts

You have two Rune Priests but aren't giving both Long Fang squads re-rolls? Okay /shrug Can't complain too much about the layout.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Lone Wolf+ Mark of the Wulfen+ 2 Fenrisian Wolves= 55pts

This used to be fun. Its less so now in my opinion. Lone Wolves are tailor made for MC hunting, but that layout won't let them really excel at it. I'd spend an extra 50 points giving him TDA w/ TH/SS myself. But that's up to you. Its not that big a deal either way so feel free to leave him be.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:ALLIES: 95th Cadian Rifles

Lord Commissar Ephraim Richter+ Power Sword= 80 pts

The Chosen Men
Veteran Squad+ 3 Melta Guns+ Vox Caster= 100 pts

Vox caster is a waste, you have nothing issuing orders. The Lord Commissar also doesn't make a lot of sense in this list. He's not riding with your Space Wolves, and you don't have any Blobs that need Stubborn. You are also shorting yourself by not taking advantage of Orders.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:Maiden Squadron
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Joan of Arc”+ Rocket Pods= 130 pts
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Boudicca”+ Rocket Pods+ Lascannon= 145 pts
Valkyrie Assault Carrier “Hippolyta” + Rocket Pods= 130 pts

Why do you have 3? More important: Why aren't you taking Vendettas? They cost the same and are better in every way. There are more efficient ways to deal with Infantry (your Space Wolves, especially the Thunderwolf Cavalry, already do a better job) and Vendettas are unparalleled in taking out Flyers and enemy tanks. I would fly a squadron of two. Three would be overkill.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:2514 Total

You went over your limit and you have many things that cost 15-20 points that you could drop to be under. Limits exist for a reason


Okay! Well, I would definitely change the IG Allies up. It helps if you have a definitive job you want them to do. I can't tell what you expect them to do currently. They don't seem to be anything but a vehicle for Valkyries, which is the strangest thing I've ever seen since that is not why Space Wolves need IG allies.

List has potential, but has some things that need to be worked out for sure.

True on all accounts. I'm not looking to play in any sort of tournament, I just want a fun list that isn't total garbage. I put the Rune priest with the grey hunters cause I want him using the space wolf psychic powers (jaws of the world wolf and living lightining specifically).

As for the IG. Well, yeah I brought them to be a vehicle for the flyers. If you think 3 is over kill then allright. I'll get another squad of troops and ditch one of them.

What do you suggest getting rather than a Lord Commisar?

It looks like I still have more work to do on this, but I appreciate the feedback.

cowmonaut wrote:

But you think you have it bad? I have an awesome model of a WGBL on Thunderwolf with a [b]Frost Axe[b/]. In 5th edition it just was a +1 S power weapon. Now? My Initiative goes down the drain and he's no longer able to charge into a Tactical Squad solo and wipe out half of them. Still even worse: it costs the same as a Power Fist. So both are Unwieldy and AP 2, but one makes me S6 and the other S8. Ouch. Also, being able to strike before Initiative 4 models was the entire reason I even took him. :(

Magnets baby! Of course if you've already built him then it's too late. But if you're going to build any wolf guard or TWC models you should most definitely magnetize the arms.

Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:

What do you suggest getting rather than a Lord Commisar?

Really, you're only taking an IG headquarters and troop because you have to. You only have the IG allies for the flyers anyway and there is nothing that IG troops can do that Grey Hunters don't do WAY better. So why spend any points on the other IG stuff if you don't have to?

My advice is just take the 50 point company command squad with no upgrades then down-grade your melta vets to the cheapest infantry you can find. Drop one of the Valkyries and take an ADL (quad gun optional - consider a comm relay to speed up your reserves). Then you can deploy your cheap-ity cheap IG infantry behind the ADL and on top of an objective with your Rune Priest to give them Ld 10 and ATSKNF. If anything scary shoots at them, they can just go to ground behind the ADL and get a 2+ cover save - all the while claiming that objective. Meanwhile, the Valkyries can control the sky over the Space Wolves and the Grey Hunters + TWC can dominate the ground.

Heres a new updated list.

Jarl Olaf Shieldbreaker’s Sepp (7th) Great Company

Jarl Olaf Shield breaker (Wolf Lord)
Runic Armor, Frost Blade, 2 x Fenrisian Wolves, Belt Of Russ, Thunderwolf mount= 235 pts

Olaf’s Retinue
Thunderwolf Cavalry x5+ Storm Shield x2+ Power Fist = 335 pts

Squad Ein
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power sword+ Combi Melta= 33 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Banner+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Melta= 165 pts
Drop Pod (Squad Ein)= 35 pts

Squad Tvier
Wolf Guard pack Leader+ Power sword+ Combi Melta= 43 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 165 pts
Rhino= 40 pts

Squad Prir
Rune Priest “Nils Greybone“ + Chooser of the Slain+ Wolf Tail+ Runic Armor= 135 pts
Grey Hunters x9+ Mark of the Wulfen+ Banner+ Melta= 165 pts
Rhino= 40 pts

Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts
Rune priest "Kjartan Iceblood"+ Chooser of the Slain (Divination)= 110pts

Long Fangs x6+ 3 Missle Launchers+ 2 lascannons = 170 pts

Lone Wolf+ Mark of the Wulfen+ 2 Fenrisian Wolves= 55pts

ALLIES: 95th Cadian Rifles

Company command squad= 50 pts
Veteran squad= 70 pts

Maiden Squadron

Boudicca (Vendetta gunship w/ Hellfire missles)= 130 pts
Hippolyta (Vendetta gunship w/ Hellfire missles)= 130 pts
= 2256 pts

Any ideas on what I can use my remaining 250 pts on? I'm thinking Saga of the Bear. Also, I've just realized I've been putting too much thought into this list. I'm not fighting in tournaments so I might as well do what I want and have fun with it.

Although, if you think the IG allies are a bad idea, maybe I should just scrap them and take a squad of terminators with a drop pod instead. If I do that, how should I equip them?

IG allies are a really good idea. Cheap back field scoring units (Platoons), lots of cheap and durable heavy weapons (which Space Wolves can only get from Dreadnoughts, Land Speeders, and Long Fangs), and one of the best anti-air units in the game (Vendetta vs Helldrake is important; Helldrakes really mess up Space Wolves on foot).

Honestly I would dump those points into either another Grey Hunter squad in a Drop Pod or an IG Infantry Platoon. Since you don't have Logan Grimnar I think more scoring would be more important than some TDA Wolf Guard.

Also, I hear that spending the 10 points for Heavy Bolter sponsons is a very good idea for the Vendettas. Makes it more likely that your TLLC will be around after a Weapon Destroyed result and if you run out of armor to shoot at they can do some healthy damage to ground targets with 3 TLLC and 2 HB.