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So, with Sisters of Battle, if a squad has taken at least one casualty than they get +1 to their acts of faith roll. Does this apply to independent characters that die while attached to the squad? By extension, if Saint Celestine dies then revives, do they still get the +1?
   
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Not being sure of the exact Acts of Faith wording - if what you've provided is correct and it just says unit, then yes. ICs count as part of the unit for all rules purposes, so that must include Acts of Faith too - after all, they count towards the 25% morale check. If Celestine dies and is revived the unit has still taken a casualty, it's just a casualty that came back.

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No official ruling but I say no, the Codex that acts of faith from characters and squads are different. Original members have to be removed as a casualty.

So the same thing with Saint Celestine. No

People will be arguing that the squad gains an additional +1 from her dying and the +1 from having her as an independent character attached to it soon.

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The WD Dex states "+1 if the unit has taken at least one casualty" and Celestine is specifically pointed out as granting +1 to the unit. The Dex also states that the effects are cumulative so it would stand to reason that if she is attached to the squad and dies she grants 1 and would grant another one if she comes back and rejoins the squad.

No argument is required the rules allow it. Your only other option would be to say the squad gets +1 if she dies but looses it if she comes back. That is not supported by the rules though.

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It's a bit ambiguous, but I would say the unit would have to have lost at least one of its own members. Attached ICs would count separately.

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Would an attached IC that is a casualty be counted as part of the unit for a break test?

   
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Boss GreenNutz wrote:
Would an attached IC that is a casualty be counted as part of the unit for a break test?


This was the point I was trying to make. The IC counts as part of the unit for *ALL* rules purposes. So unless there's something specific in the SoB rules to counteract that, they do count towards.
...not that I actually have the SoB rules myself, so I can't check! If anyone can correct me on that with a quote, by all means please do so.

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 Mannahnin wrote:
It's a bit ambiguous, but I would say the unit would have to have lost at least one of its own members. Attached ICs would count separately.

Except they are a normal member of the unit for ALL rules purposes, so WOULD count according to the current written rules on ICs.

They would certainly count towards a morale check, meaning you would be trying to count them as a casualty one minute but not the next.

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It seems like she would indeed grant the +1 to the roll if she is a casualty, but only while she's dead. Once she revives, she no longer counts as being dead for Victory Points or for Slay the Warlord, so it seems reasonable to me that she also no longer counts as a casualty for Acts of Faith purposes.

On the plus side, once she revives, she begins granting the unit the bonus for having an Independent Character again, which they should have lost when she died.

That's just the way I see it, of course, and it's entirely possible that I'm wrong.

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