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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317493/Saudi-official-Kingdom-warned-United-States-IN-WRITING-Boston-Bomber-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-2012-rejected-application-entry-visa-visit-Mecca-2011.html


EXCLUSIVE: Saudi Arabia 'warned the United States IN WRITING about Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2012'Saudis developed intelligence separately from Russia, which also warned the U.S. about the accused Boston bomber

A letter to the Department of Homeland Security allegedly named Tsarnaev and three Pakistanis as potential jihadis worthy of U.S. investigation
Red flags from Saudi Arabia to have included Tsarnaev's name and information about a planned explosive attack on a major U.S. city

Saudi foreign minister, national security chief both met with Obama in the oval office in early 2013

By David Martosko and The American Media Institute
..The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.
The Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.
Citing security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev's plans to visit Saudi Arabia have not been previously disclosed.

Was it preventable? A senior Saudi official says his country warned the U.S. about Tamerlane Tsarnaev in 2012, advising the federal government that he planned an attack on a major U.S. city

Did she know? Janet Napolitano (R) sits atop the Department of Homeland Security, the agency that allegedly received a detailed letter from the Saudi kingdom about Tsarnaev (L) and three Pakistani jihadis
The Saudis' warning to the U.S. government was also shared with the British government. 'It was very specific’ and warned that 'something was going to happen in a major U.S. city,' the Saudi official said during an extensive interview.
It 'did name Tamerlan specifically,' he added. The 'government-to-government' letter, which he said was sent to the Department of Homeland Security at the highest level, did not name Boston or suggest a date for his planned attack.

More...Tamerlan Tsarnaev was placed on a U.S. terrorist 'watch' list after 'multiple' warnings from Russian authorities to the FBI
The radicalization of Tamerlan Tsarnaev: Older 'bomber' studied Koran for days at a time and witnessed 'bombings and shootings' in Islamic Dagestan capital
'I'm willing to die for Islam': Boston Marathon bomber's chilling texts to his mother reveal he was prepared to sacrifice his life for jihad
Boston bomber was caught discussing jihad with mother: Russia 'recorded call between Tamerlan Tsarnaev and parent but failed to tell FBI'
FBI agents search Rhode Island home of Boston bomber's widow and 'take sample of her DNA after that of a woman is found on one of the devices'

If true, the account will produce added pressure on the Homeland Security department and the White House to explain their collective inaction after similar warnings were offered about Tsarnaev by the Russian government.
A DHS official denied, however, that the agency received any such warning from Saudi intelligence about Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

'DHS has no knowledge of any communication from the Saudi government regarding information on the suspects in the Boston Marathon Bombing prior to the attack,' MailOnline learned from one Homeland Security official who declined to be named in this report.
The White House took a similar view. 'We and other relevant U.S. government agencies have no record of such a letter being received,' said Caitlin Hayden, a spokesperson for the president’s National Security Council.


As many as 4 million Muslims make pilgrimages annually to the Grand mosque in the city of Mecca. Tsarnaev sought to join them for an 'Umrah' journey, a trip that happens outside of the month reserved for the annual Hajj
The letter likely came to DHS via the Saudi Ministry of Interior, the agency tasked with protecting the Saudi kingdom’s homeland.
A Homeland Security official confirmed Tuesday evening on the condition of anonymity that the 2012 letter exists, saying he had heard of the Saudi communication before MailOnline inquired about it.
An aide to a Republican member of the House Homeland Security Committee speculated Tuesday about why the Obama administration contradicted the knowledgeable Saudi official.

‘It is possible the Department of Homeland Security received the information from the Saudi government but never passed it on to the White House,’ the GOP staffer said. 'Communication between DHS and the White House's national security apparatus isn't always what it should be.’
'I can easily see it happening where one hand didn't know what the other was doing because of a turf war.'
'Just like the different agencies in the Boston JTTF [Joint Terrorism Task Force] want credit for breaking the Tsarnaev case,' the aide added, 'they sometimes jealously guard the very intel they should be sharing the most freely. Sometimes it makes no sense at all.'

Obama said Tuesday that an inter-agency review would leave no stone unturned in an effort to learn whether government agencies could have done more to prevent the Boston bombings

House Homeland Security Committee chairman Mike McCaul plans to announce on Wednesday an investigative hearing to probe what U.S. intelligence knew prior to the Boston attacks, two senior Republican sources told MailOnline.
Separately, President Obama announced Tuesday that the U.S. government will launch a wide-ranging inquiry into the sharing of information among the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security and other intelligence and law-enforcement agencies of the federal government.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.
The internal review will be led by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and several inspectors general.
'This is not an investigation,' Clapper’s spokesman Shawn Turner said in a prepared statement. 'This is an independent review of information-sharing procedures. It is limited to the handling of information related to the suspects prior to the attack.'
It is not yet clear whether information from Saudi Arabia will be involved in Clapper's inter-agency review.

Eight-year-old Martin Richard was among the three people killed in the explosions at the finish line of the Boston Marathon on April 15


Chaos: The bombing left thousands running for their lives and sent more than 200 to hospitals, including some whose limbs were torn off their bodies by the force of the blasts
Utah Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz appeared on CNN Tuesday afternoon, upbraiding the Obama administration for presuming that the federal government's handling of intelligence prior to the Boston bombings was appropriate and effective.

'As soon as the bombing happened we had officials, locally and from the feds, saying, "Oh, this was an isolated case, there was just one person involved." We didn't know that,' Chaffetz said.
The 'starting point' for a federal investigation, he said, must be, 'This is unacceptable, we will not stand for it, we will get to the bottom of it, and we will not rest until we figure it out.'
'Mr. President,' he said, addressing Obama, 'the starting point should be an intolerance that this thing happened.'
GOP momentum? House Homeland Security Committee chair Mike McCaul (L) plans to convene a hearing to investigate the government's failure to prevent the Boston bombings. Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R), who serves on that committee, said on CNN that an inquiry should not presume all is well

The high-ranking Saudi official whom MailOnlne interviewed at length provided a wealth of detail about the warning he says his government sent to the United States. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to talk publicly about foreign intelligence, or about Saudi Arabia’s diplomatic relationship with the United States.
He suggested that the Saudi Ministry of Interior sent the letter out of an abundance of caution in order to be helpful to the United States, even though its intelligence on Tsarnaev wasn't yet fully developed.
'With Saudi Arabia it's always code red,' he said. 'There's no code orange, or code yellow. Always red.'
The Saudi government, he added, alerted the U.S. in part because it believed American authorities should be inspecting packages that came to Tsarnaev in the mail in order to search for bomb-making components.
Saudi Interior Minister Prince Mohammed bin Nayef bin Abdulaziz (L) met with President Obama in January. His counterpart in the Saudi foreign ministry, Prince Saud bin al-Faisal (R), had an unscheduled meeting with Obama in the Oval Office just two days after the Boston bombings


The written warning also allegedly named three Pakistanis who may be of interest to British authorities. The official declined to provide more details about the warning to the UK, but said the two governments received the same information.
The Ministry of Interior, he said, sent the letters in 2012, likely after Tsarnaev returned from Russia to the United States in July.
President Barack Obama's published schedule indicates that he met in the Oval Office with Prince Mohammed bin Naif bin Abdulaziz, the Saudi Interior minister, on January 14, 2013.
The Saudis denied Tsarnaev entry to the kingdom when he sought to travel to Mecca in December 2011 for a pilgrimage known as an Umrah – one that is undertaken during months that don’t fall within the regular Hajj period of the year.
That rejected application came one month before he traveled to Russia, where U.S. intelligence sources believe he acquired training enabling him to construct and detonate the bombs that he and his younger brother placed hear the Boston Marathon’s finish line.
The younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is in federal custody at a prison medical facility.


Celebration turned to mourning on April 15 after Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his younger brother Dzhokhar allegedly detonated two powerful bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing 3 and injuring more than 200
The Saudi official speculated that Tsarnaev's residence in the United States might have made it more difficult for him to gain entry into the kingdom.
'U.S.-based Muslims who become radicalized and want to visit Mecca create an unusual problem,' he said, compelling the Saudi government 'to carefully examine applications.'

In the wake of the April 15 Boston Marathon bombings, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal met with Secretary of State John Kerry on April 16, and then had an unscheduled meeting with President Obama on April 17.
'This is the DNA of the Saudi government,' said the Saudi official, referring to officials in the royal court in Riyadh. 'This is how they work. They sent the letter, but that wasn't enough. They then sent the top guy to meet personally with the president.'
He dismissed the idea that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was likely trained by al Qaeda while he was outside the United States last year.
The Saudis' Yemen-based sources, he explained, said militants referred to Tamerlan dismissively as ‘the volunteer.’
'He was a gung-ho, self motivated jihadi who wasn't tasked by a larger group,' he said.
'There is no reason for anyone in Afghanistan to have in his thinking a scenario like this,' the official added, referring to pressure-cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon. 'He took the initiative. That’s why they call him "the volunteer."'
'The Boston thing is beneath them,’ he said of al Qaeda. ‘They don't think like this. This is like a firecracker to them. They want something big.'
Richard Reid (L) was apprehended after a failed attempt to blow up an airliner with bombs concealed in his shoes. The Saudi government provided specific intelligence about Reid to the U.S., and now it has been revealed that they wrote to the American government about Tamerlan Tsarnaev (R) in 2012

Tamerlan may have boasted about his plans online, the Saudi official said, offering an explanation for how Yemen-based sources first learned of him. Islamist militants have well-developed social networks that can enable news to migrate quickly across vast distances.
The Saudi government sometimes tracks such radicals by launching fake jihadi websites to attract extremists. The Ministry of Interior then tracks them electronically, often across the world, and shares information with governments it considers friendly, including the United States.
'The Saudi Arabian government is doing everything it can to wipe out these people and treat America as a true friend,' the official said.
The Saudi intelligence services have a long history of providing credible information to America and Great Britain about looming threats.

'This is the fourth time the Saudi Arabian government has given the U.S. specific intel' about a possible terror plot, the official said, citing prior warnings about Richard Reid, the so-called shoe bomber who repeatedly tried to light a fuse in his shoe to bring down American Airlines flight 63 bound for Miami in December 2001.
He also cited the 300-gram 'ink-cartridge bombs' planted on two cargo planes headed for the United States from Yemen in October 2010. Those explosives were intercepted in Dubai, and at an East Midlands airport in Great Britain.

The terror: A Boston firefighter carried an injured girl away from the scene after the Boston Marathon bombings. In all, Tsarnaev is believed to have killed three Americans, including an eight-year-old boy
Tamerlan Tsarnaev's namesake was a 15-century Central Asian warlord who referred to himself as ‘the sword of Islam.’ Sometimes spelled 'Tamerlane' in English, he was known for his cruelty.
When he conquered Baghdad, he reportedly made a pyramid of human skulls from unfortunate residents of that city.

Although still revered in Chechnya and throughout Central Asia, the original Tamerlane is sometimes vilified in modern-day Saudi textbooks.
Richard Miniter contributed the American Media Institute’s reporting for this story.



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To be fair to Homeland Security they did their job with Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Dzhokhar got US citizenship, probably before he was radicalised by his brother, and from all accounts did not appear to anyone to be radical at all, even after the bombings until the final shooting spree.

Tamerlan on the other hand was refused US citizenship, a wise precaution. beyond that there wasn't much the US could fairly do. He already had residency since he was a child, and until the bombings he did nothing wrong, he had unpatriotic viewpoints, which if they were all he had would have been covered under the First Amendment. What could Homeland Security do, round him up and put him in a camp?
How many other people have similar points of view, and which ones get preventative justice.

Really until Tamerlan Tsarnaev committed a political crime there wasn't anything that could be done but bar him from sensitive positions of employment, boxing isnt one of them, and defer his citizenship application. This appears to be exactly what they did.

The real trouble with people like the Tsarnaev brothers is that there are no signs until they go bang, quite often literally. Be thankful they weren't part of any larger movement, while that would make them actionable if detected (and given credibility to the article) it likely also have made them a whole lot more competent. Boston law enforcement authorities had it easy, these two amateur scum made so many simple mistakes' with a bit of foresight and imagination they might have evaded identification and could have executed their alleged plan to attack New York and future targets.

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Once he was refused citizenship he should have been deported.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Once he was refused citizenship he should have been deported.


For what?

He already had residency, since childhood. And all they had on him was unpatriotic opinions in keeping with his First Amendment rights, any half competent immigration defence lawyer would tear the deportation case to shreds.
The evidence that he was a jihadist was thin at best.

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There's gotta be more to this story...

I can't believe it's like this:
Saudi Arabia: "Tsarnaev is too radical to visit...Mecca."

US: "Welcome! Have some food stamps!".

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 Orlanth wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Once he was refused citizenship he should have been deported.


For what?

He already had residency, since childhood. And all they had on him was unpatriotic opinions in keeping with his First Amendment rights, any half competent immigration defence lawyer would tear the deportation case to shreds.
The evidence that he was a jihadist was thin at best.


For what? He was denied citizenship, thats for what. If you're not a citizen we can throw your keister out because we have heartburn that morning. Not being granted citizenship means they had stuff on him, so throw his ass out.

Ask the three dead and 200 wounded what they would have done.

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Well, how many hundreds of other people do they do this to? Deny citizenship because of some warnings.

It could be they are just keeping their eye on too many people.

That said, I think we should deport anyone we suspect of being a radicalized extremist.


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 whembly wrote:
There's gotta be more to this story...

I can't believe it's like this:
Saudi Arabia: "Tsarnaev is too radical to visit...Mecca."

US: "Welcome! Have some food stamps!".



If this is true, wow

That would be an epic fail on the part of our various security organizations.

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Agreed on all points. Now before someone goes down the lefty/right wing path I don't think this has anything to do with Obama, or anyone high up for that matter, nor am I looking to place blame.

Find the problem, then fix the problem. Don't fix the blame.

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Frazzled wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Once he was refused citizenship he should have been deported.


For what?

He already had residency, since childhood. And all they had on him was unpatriotic opinions in keeping with his First Amendment rights, any half competent immigration defence lawyer would tear the deportation case to shreds.
The evidence that he was a jihadist was thin at best.


For what? He was denied citizenship, thats for what. If you're not a citizen we can throw your keister out because we have heartburn that morning. Not being granted citizenship means they had stuff on him, so throw his ass out.

Ask the three dead and 200 wounded what they would have done.

Why? Were those 3 and 200 all lawyers?

This level of appeal to emotion is pretty weak, even for you, Frazz. That being said, I don't disagree with you about deportation. Without a work visa, a denied citizenship application in Canada generally means "go back to your original country and maybe you can try the process again from the beginning".
   
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Weak? They're dead because someone didn't DO THEIR JOB.

If you''re not going to grant them citizenship then clearly there are reasons and they have no reason to be here at that point. Send them to Canada.

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Frazzled wrote:Weak? They're dead because someone didn't DO THEIR JOB.

If you''re not going to grant them citizenship then clearly there are reasons and they have no reason to be here at that point. Send them to Canada.

That's correct, and it'd be great if you'd focus on the facts rather than your emotion. Isn't what what the pro-gun group likes to say whenever Sandy Hook parents get paraded around? (not starting a gun thing here, just pointing out your demagoguery)

Like I said, I agree with you. I just think the appeal to emotion cheapens your points.
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Weak? They're dead because someone didn't DO THEIR JOB.

If you''re not going to grant them citizenship then clearly there are reasons and they have no reason to be here at that point. Send them to Canada.

That's correct, and it'd be great if you'd focus on the facts rather than your emotion. Isn't what what the pro-gun group likes to say whenever Sandy Hook parents get paraded around? (not starting a gun thing here, just pointing out your demagoguery)

Like I said, I agree with you. I just think the appeal to emotion cheapens your points.


Nope. Thats direct cause and effect. He was denied citizenship but allowed to remain here. So he killed a bunch of people.
Plus apparently he was on welfare. Why is feren devil on welfare?

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 Frazzled wrote:
Weak? They're dead because someone didn't DO THEIR JOB.

If you''re not going to grant them citizenship then clearly there are reasons and they have no reason to be here at that point. Send them to Canada.


But what about immigration reform? You can't just throw illegals out, how would the democrats get votes?

Seams like there would have been enough info to do something, anything, at least let him know he's being watched or followed closely. I'm sure we get plenty of reports about would be terrorists, but when you get multiple reports form multiple sources, I just think maybe you should really pay attention to those. It may not be that easy though, we might get 10,000 warnings a day for all I know.

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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

Well... both the Saudi and US Administrations are denying this of course:
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/297177-white-house-denies-saudis-warned-us-about-boston-bombing-suspect#ixzz2S3PyMedl
The Obama administration on Wednesday strongly denied reports that Saudi Arabia warned U.S. law enforcement officials last year that Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev posed a threat.

Saudi Arabia sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter in 2012 singling out Tsarnaev and three Pakistanis as potential jihadists, Britain's Daily Mail reported, citing an unnamed Saudi official.

The Obama administration and the Saudi government said the story was false.

“We and other relevant U.S. Government agencies who deal with this kind of information have no record of any such letter being received,” National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden told The Hill in a statement.

A Homeland Security official likewise said the agency “has no knowledge of any communication from the Saudi government regarding information on the suspects in the Boston Marathon Bombing prior to the attack.”

The Saudi embassy in Washington also denied the report, along with allegations that it rejected a visa application from Tsarnaev to make a pilgrimage to Mecca.

“The Saudi government had no prior information about the Boston bombers. Therefore, it is not true that any information, written or otherwise, was passed to U.S. Department of Homeland Security or any other U.S. agency in this regard,” the embassy said in a statement. “The Saudi government also does not have any record of any application by Tamerlan Tsarnaev for an Ummrah visa.”

The allegations, if true, would raise new doubts about U.S. counterterrorism efforts 12 years after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Intelligence agencies are already on the hot seat for ruling out Tsarnaev as a threat after Russia warned U.S. officials about his interest in Jihadi groups in 2011.

Lawmakers have expressed concerns that intelligence agencies are “stove-piping” information and failing to coordinate their activities, despite intelligence reforms enacted after 9/11.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called for the creation of a special panel to investigate the government's response to the twin bombings that killed three and injured more than 200 people last month.

“When it comes to Boston,” Graham said on CNN on Tuesday, “we need a joint select committee to look at the FBI, the CIA and Homeland Security. The system did not work as designed.”

President Obama defended the intelligence community and law enforcement groups during a Tuesday press conference, slamming Sen. Graham.

“No, Mr. Graham is not right on this issue, although I'm sure generated some headlines,” said Obama. “What I can say is that based on what I've seen so far, the FBI performed its duties, the Department of Homeland Security did what it was supposed to be doing.”

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And that irritates me. Why deny that there was a mistake? It wasn't your mistake Obama, but denying there was one makes you look bad.

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Agreed. Don't say the system worked when people died, because clearly it didn't. Thats tone deaf nonsense.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Agreed. Don't say the system worked when people died, because clearly it didn't. Thats tone deaf nonsense.


Saying the current system did everything it could or is supposed to is not saying that the system worked.

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Well, he's actually saying nothing went wrong. Which is objectively false. We had information that these guys were a threat and didn't act on it.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Once he was refused citizenship he should have been deported.


He was a lawful permanent resident. Surely you must be aware such a status exists?

And, if a "highly placed anonymous source" told a fairly disreputable newspaper something, it must be true. Lets assume it is and go forward with that supposition.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Well, he's actually saying nothing went wrong. Which is objectively false. We had information that these guys were a threat and didn't act on it.

Well... we don't know really, for sure, that anyone of the US were actually warned... as the Saudi/Russian officials are denying that they specifically warned about Tsarnaev.

EDIT: Ouze said it better...

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Sounds like a red herring to sell papers personally, especially with the Saudis and Ruskies denying this stuff ever happened.

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 Ouze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Once he was refused citizenship he should have been deported.


He was a lawful permanent resident. Surely you must be aware such a status exists?

And, if a "highly placed anonymous source" told a fairly disreputable newspaper something, it must be true. Lets assume it is and go forward with that supposition.




So what? If you're turned down should be out the door, and that fast. They're not citizens, and thats cause. them and the horse they road in on. This country has millions of good hard working immigrants here. We don't need potential bad elements.

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 Frazzled wrote:
So what? If you're turned down should be out the door, and that fast. They're not citizens, and thats cause. them and the horse they road in on. This country has millions of good hard working immigrants here. We don't need potential bad elements.


Are you truly unaware that the "potential bad elements" you're painting with that wide-ass brush include tons of highly skilled workers who actually drive all the engineering type jobs that Americans by and large are no longer interested in doing - all the high technology jobs that drive our economy, the ones companies like Google, Apple, and Microsoft beg for more visas for every year?


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 Ouze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
So what? If you're turned down should be out the door, and that fast. They're not citizens, and thats cause. them and the horse they road in on. This country has millions of good hard working immigrants here. We don't need potential bad elements.


Are you truly unaware that the "potential bad elements" you're painting with that wide-ass brush include tons of highly skilled workers who actually drive all the engineering type jobs that Americans by and large are no longer interested - all the high technology jobs that drive our economy, the ones companies like Google, Apple, and Microsoft beg for more visas for every year?



Now you're just being obtuse.
Those are residents. This was a resident that sought and was declined citizenship. he should have ben immediately out.

Otherwise I have issues with H1B visas-as its an excellent way to keep salaries down- but thats a separate topic.

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He was a permanent legal resident (emphasis legal). You're proposing that any resident who doesn't become a citizen should be deported. How are they separate issues?

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 Ouze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
So what? If you're turned down should be out the door, and that fast. They're not citizens, and thats cause. them and the horse they road in on. This country has millions of good hard working immigrants here. We don't need potential bad elements.


Are you truly unaware that the "potential bad elements" you're painting with that wide-ass brush include tons of highly skilled workers who actually drive all the engineering type jobs that Americans by and large are no longer interested in doing - all the high technology jobs that drive our economy, the ones companies like Google, Apple, and Microsoft beg for more visas for every year?




More important until he built a bomb he was a 'bad element' in word only.

Sorry but people have a First Ammendment right to believe that jihad a good idea and say so. It only becomes a crime if the do nasty things on the back of those beliefs.

I sympathise Frazzie, but we have to look at the nature of the enemy, you often don't see them for what they are and they can hide behind lawful rights even if they profess to not wanting to extend such rights to others. The UK knows all about this problem. There are many extremists here I would like to see pushed into the sea, but until they cross the line and commit or plot acts of terror they can't be actioned upon fully.
However to abolish free speech in order to deal with them proactively is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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 Ouze wrote:
He was a permanent legal resident (emphasis legal). You're proposing that any resident who doesn't become a citizen should be deported. How are they separate issues?


NO I am proposing any resident who seeks citizenship and is declined should be deported. BIG difference.


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True that Orlanth. I am saying a resident who was actively declined citizenship, well there's a reason there. Get him out.

Remember, I'm the guy in favor of putting the illegal immigrants from the South on the track to citizenship. Its no different. If they are declined for cause, they should be out. Else, We are Borg. You will be assimilated...er what I meant was welcome to America! Your culinary distinctiveness will be added to our own.

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Frazzled wrote:Agreed. Don't say the system worked when people died, because clearly it didn't. Thats tone deaf nonsense.

This assumes a system is flawless, which is a ridiculous stance to take. If a system is designed to filter out 99% of something, you cannot claim that it fails when 1% gets through.


EDIT: but it is strange that non-citizens can apply for welfare... does the US have a status that's more than a tourist or work visa but not yet a full citizen?

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