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Chaos Lord, PF, PP, MOT, SOC, VLW 150

Chosen +1, 5 MG, VLW 185
Rhino 35

CSM +5, 2 MG,VLW Champ PS 185
Rhino 35
CSM +5, 2 MG,VLW Champ PS 185
Rhino 35
CSM +5, PG, AC, VLW Champ PS 190
CSM PG, VLW 95

Havoc 4 ML + Flakk , VLW 180
Forgefiend, Ectoplasma Cannon 200
Forgefiend, Ectoplasma Cannon 200

Heldrake Baleflamer 170
Heldrake Hades Auto cannon 170




Here's the deal the Lord goes with the Chosen in a Rhino. The 2 Big squads in Rhinos and the Forgfiends plus the Chosen go forward and take objectives. The 2 small squads Havocs and Defence line guard my side. Heldrakes 1 ground targets the other air targets.

Changes I was thinking of doing are getting rid of the Havocs and making the 2 small squads bigger. But they loose the Flakk missles. Loosing the Defence line and using the points for something else.

Between the heldrakes and the ADL (if you change to the Quad Gun) I think you have anti-air covered, especially since the forgefiends can lend their hand into the mix for some S8 probably get at least one hit, re-roll damage goodness. Then the flakk on the Havocs is probably too much and you should consider getting rid of it. Switchin to 2 standard missile launcher and 2 lascannons would help you take on armour and save you 30 pts; or just over dosing on autocannons.

You have a lot of scoring units but a poor delivery system for the big advancing units. I would consider finding the points for some bikes, spawn or a maulerfiend (would have to lose one of the forgefiends; could also lose some of the VLW to save pts) to advance with the rhinos and be able to assault the turn the CSMs bail out and start shooting things up.

Drop the Chosen, run the Lord with 9 marines with MoN and 2 meltaguns. Loads more effective.
And that much AA is surely not needed, drop a couple of flakk missiles for a lascannon or autocannons, the defence line isn't needed as much of your army needs to be moving forward, take a ton of cultists to take the fire and giving the MoT makes them a hell of a lot more survivable (no seriously it does) that would be a much better list and far more balanced.

Csm needs 10 men to have 2 spec weapons or 1 heavy+1 spec.

Cultist eith mot only gives them a 6++ invul save. I been posting lists with cultist with mot n they al tell me to drop them for plague zombies.

But for that 1 point per man they get a chance to shake off even a demolisher round, a 6 is better than just removing them them with no saves. It really does work well for me.
Zombies would be better but then starts to eat up points as you need Typhus aswell.

I thought you get 1 weapon with the first 5 then another for any extra marines you buy?

If that was the case I would use 6 csm with 2 spec weapons.

Changed the list up a little.
Made 1 CSM squad bigger with better weapons.
Got rid of the defense line. Its to easy for a TFG to block your view and make it useless. Better to place a 2 story ruin near your edge of the table. Same cover save.
The Havocs are worth 180pts I will keep in my case 1 Aegis Defense Line, Quad Gun and an Obliterator. They are the same cost in points and lets me customize.


I was thinking of replacing my Chaos Lord with a Chaos Space Marine Demon Prince. They seem nice.
What are your thoughts?