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Elite - Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Chain Fist & Stormshield
Troops - 8x Blood Claws w/ Plasma Gun, Power Fist
Transport - Drop Pod

Elite - Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Chain Fist & Stormshield
Troops - 8x Blood Claws w/ Plasma Gun, Power Fist
Transport - Drop Pod

Elite - Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Chain Fist & Stormshield
Troops - 8x Blood Claws w/ Plasma Gun, Power Fist
Transport - Drop Pod

Elite - Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Chain Fist & Stormshield
Troops - 8x Blood Claws w/ Plasma Gun, Power Fist
Transport - Drop Pod

Elite - Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Chain Fist & Stormshield
Troops - 8x Blood Claws w/ Plasma Gun
Transport - Drop Pod

HQ - Rune Priest w/ Force Axe & Divination
Elite - Wolf Guard Terminator w/ Cyclone Missile Launcher
Heavy Support - 6x Longfangs w/ 5x Lascannons

Heavy Support - 6x Longfangs w/ 5x Missile Launchers

Heavy Support - 6x Longfangs w/ 5x Missile Launchers

Fortification - Aegis Defense Line w/ Quad Gun

Chainfist stormshield is crazy expensive, swap for wolf claw + power fist because that Combo is king with blood claws ( it grants the +1 attack)

Change the blood claw special weapon to an assaultweapon since thats what you want to do if you have blood claws

Rune priests cannot have Axes, only unusual force weapon

For the extra points, maybe get armour for your priest or get some Axes in the blood claws

Blood Claws = First Mistake, Blood Claws with Plasma Guns = Worst Mistake (Why are you giving a model with BS3 such an expensive shooting weapon?!). Also, don't put Power Fists on WS3 models with one base attack. These belong on Wolf Guard if you are going to take them.

Get Greys, pair down the wolf guard to non-termie status, get drop pods for your Long Fangs, and then you can drop ALL your squads first turn deep into their heart. That's more deadly than the few 2+ saves you'll make.

Lascannons are too expensive on Long Fangs. If you put melta on your grey hunters / wolf guard, you won't need them.

If you plan on having a Rune Priest on a quad gun, use a Chooser of the Slain to boost yourself to BS5. If you plan on running Prescience, then maybe an Icarus Lascannon would be better spent.

The Wolf Guard with Cyclone Launcher is not a wise investment. Roughly 63 pts (IIRC) for 2 missile shots versus 50 for two Long Fangs.

Dare to try blood claws

PF is good on blood claws because they get three attacks on charge instead of grey hunters. If you put them on WG they can be targeted by challenge. Keep terminator WG they are great for absorbing shots.

What TheKbob said. Blood Claws are a mistake. Grey Hunters do everything better for the same price, and if 'fluff' is your argument that also doesn't make sense since there are more Grey Hunters in a Great Company than anything else. Giving Blood Claws any kind of special ranged weapon is doubly a mistake (maybe a flamer would be okay). The Power Fist is okay however, if you get a charge off. I'd recommend a Power Axe instead though, if anything.

By switching your Blood Claws to Grey Hunters you can keep the unit price exactly the same and ditch the Power Fist for a Wolf Standard and Mark of the Wulfen, which is what makes Grey Hunters much more powerful in close combat than Blood Claws.

Your Wolf Guard really should have a Combi-Melta or Combi-Plasma, and I would not give them anything that makes them Unwieldy. Chainfists are definitely a waste, if you insist on giving them anything other than a Wolf Claw it should be a Power Fist or Frost Blade to keep costs down. Chainfists are good on Lone Wolves though. I'd keep them in TDA myself, but Combi/Wolfclaw.

I think x5 Lascannons is insanely over priced and putting your eggs all in one basket. I'd mix up your Long Fang packs a bit so you have 3-4 ML and 1-2 Lascannons in each pack. Since you can split fire you aren't as likely to lose all your S9 AP2 ranged attacks in one round. You may also find 3 Long Fang packs to be overkill. Two (with x3 ML and x2 LC) would likely be enough and you are going to be left with a lot of points left over, between them and trimming the Wolf Guard wargear (20pts/model).

Seriously, that'd be like 80 pts saved on the Wolf Guard, and 155 pts by mixing up the Long Fangs and cutting a pack. So 235 points. Your Grey Hunter packs (or Blood Claws if you refuse to change them) are 190 points leaving another 45. What I would then do is change out the CML for an Assault Cannon (or you could leave it the same) and use that 5th Wolf Guard in this added Grey Hunter pack. You still have 45 points left, so give one of the Long Fang packs a Drop Pod.

This gives you 7 Drop Pods total. Deploy the Long Fang pack and use their Drop Pod in your second wave, and you have 4 Grey Hunter packs coming down on Turn 1.

You have 10 points left over and a surprising array of options. If it were me, I would drop two of the Plasma Guns in your Grey Hunters down to Meltaguns, and give those Wolf Guard leading them Combi-Melta instead of Combi-Plasma. With the now 20 points left over, give four of your Wolf Guard TDA Meltabombs so they can handle any Dreadnought that comes in to play.


Heh, just realized we made the list I'd been playing for a while basically. Mine is at 1850 mind you and my LF are kitted a little differently and I don't have the ADL. Funny!

yeah, lots of changes should be made, the reason for the chainfists and lascannons is for something to reliably pop AV 13/14, but if i swap the plasma for melta it shouldn't be a problem.

I repeat everything that TheKbob and cowmonaut said. I'll just repeat it without actually writing it.

Can some one go over the tactical advantage of having heavy weapons teams in a drop pod, rather than shooting at range from behind an ADL. Thanks.

You don't put them in the Drop Pod. Well, you can but probably shouldn't. You don't have to start embarked on a transport you buy for a squad. So you buy them a Drop Pod to increase your Drop Pod count. You do this because of the Drop Pod Assault special rule. You take half your Drop Pods and round up. That many Drop Pods can come in on Turn 1 automatically. So with 7 Drop Pods, 4 of them come in on Turn 1. If you only had 6 Drop Pods you'd only get 3 of them.

So you buy a Drop Pod for your Long Fangs to bump up your Drop Pod count to an odd number if you are at an even number.

Mind, you could be embarked on your Drop Pod. I've done it occasionally. Normally people do it when they take Logan Grimnar as an HQ since he can give them Relentless (allows you to fire all Heavy Weapons as if you were stationary).

I've done it a few times against specific opponents without taking Logan. My reason for doing so was that if they were on the board and I was going second they were going to be giving First Blood. Since they came in on my Turn 2, the enemy's Flyers came in already (he went first) and so I dropped my Long Fangs inside the Flyer's movement range (Flyers have to move 18" minimum unless they can go into Hover mode, which makes them a Skimmer for the turn and not a Flyer) and shot at his Flyer. I was stuck having to Snap Fire (6's to hit) regardless if they were stationary or not, so it didn't hurt to have them disembarking.

I've also done it on a game where we had the Short table edges (so playing long ways). I had a Long Fang pack that had 3 Multi-Meltas and all the objectives were on his half the table. Since I was in Drop Pods I just setup my 'forward base' right up on the objectives on Turn 1. Having my Long Fangs that far forward allowed me to mess up his transports when he got closer to the objectives.


So there are times where the gamble to actually put Long Fangs inside their Pod will pay off. But they are fairly rare. Really, you only do it so that so you have the odd number of Drop Pods for a stronger hit on Turn 1.

Good explanation, Cowmonaut. +1!

And this is making me want to out and buy all the drop pods of my own and ditch my Rhinos SO HARD.

Nice explanation Cow. Well done.


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Another thing is this...If you DON'T put your long fangs in the drop pod, you can drop the empty pod right in front of your opponents shooty models. You can sometimes block his line of sight to your guys and make him move his heavy weapons for a better view.

Also... the thing that really sucks about drop pods (compared to Rhinos) is that they are a massive pain in the @$$ to build and paint if you want them to look nice.

 Grugknuckle wrote:
Also... the thing that really sucks about drop pods (compared to Rhinos) is that they are a massive pain in the @$$ to build and paint if you want them to look nice.

I hear this a lot. I actually found them easier to build than Rhinos and LRBT's. Far easier to avoid ugly gaps than with those tanks.

I'll grant you the painting, if you are talking the interior and post-construction. But its fairly easy to paint the interior parts on the sprue. /shrug