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Hi , i am a new 40k player and want to start with imperial guards.
I manage to get my brothers csm in that group their where kharn the bezerker and two 10 man squads of khorn bezerkers.

Now i don't know that much but my friend told me that i could use them with my IG army if i want to but it where best if i bought BA or DA .

I got a Lord commisar and two squads of 10 guardsmen with plasma and grenade launchers , now i where looking for a platoon command squad but i cant manage to find them on GW's home page or in any hobby store...how can i get them?? and what heavy support should i buy to get a chance against the nurgels that my friend plays with and his nurgel daemon prince

Any tips or advice's to a new commander?

The platoon command squad models are the same as the company command squad. Buy that. For nurgle and big tough monsters, use lascannon heavy weapon teams and meltaguns. Those have high strengths which make the bigger and tougher beasties easier to kill.

You also might want to run a veteran squad so that you can take 3 meltaguns in that. Then get a chimera tank or valkyrie gunship to put them in.

Also, when your brother said you could use the khorne berserkers he probably meant as allies. Look up allies in the 40k rulebook. If you have chaos allies you might also want to paint your guard like they are evil belong with chaos (reds, blacks, rusty metal)

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask me or others, (I love IG!)

Hope that helps.

Color Sgt. Kell

To be honest for platoon command I would buy another infantry squad, use the sergeant bits to make the junior officer and then use 4 regular guys as his staff, then you have 5 guardsmen left over for things like swapping out other special weapons or for a second command squad.

Would it be smart for me to ally them with some other army? my brother let me read through the allie rules in his role book for the 6th ediditon and it seems like i would need to have some Blood angles or Dark angels insteed of my khorn soldiers...do you agree? he said that i could use a Dark angel HQ that will make my termis into troop choices or maliphaks as hq for my blood angels and then 2 squads with marines that uses chain swords and bolters..any adivices on who is bets as allie...i mean IG is a bunch of really weak soldiers but they can pack a good punch when they shoot.

When choosing ally's you need to choose a force that will compliment your IG, IG shooting is crap, but they make up for it in numbers. You'd be good to choose an ally army that has strong Melee units (Which IG don't have) to keep your opponent far enough away from your IG gun line so your guys can keep shooting. Grey Knights might be a good choice with their plethora of power weapons and demon goodness.

Inaddition to what newbatron said, you have one of the most brutal close combat units in the game. The mok gives them counter attack and rage. They are also fearless. With the iow they can reroll their charge distance. Use them as your elite allies with one troop slot of csm. I think you can actually run kb as regular csm with mok and iow but you wont have fearless but then you can take flamers or meltas. Since csm will not be your primary detachment meaning you can not use their warlord traits or be able to unlock cult troops, you should run kb as csm, mok, icon of wrath/vengeance, trade bolter for ccw, mb, rhino, dirge caster.

To kill plague marines easier, I suggest taking vindicators with demolisher cannons bcuz its str10 which instant death toughness 5 so no fnp, and it is ap2 which means no armor save of 2+. Any marine ally will allow you take a vindicator.


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Otherwise, I would flip it around, play csm as primary so you use kharn, unlock 2 kb squads as troops, give them rhinos with dirge casters, get several vindicators, maybe the helturkeys too. After that, fill in points with ig, vendetas, vets with nice spec weapons, lrbt, and creed with a titan.

I where thinking of use the IG as my main because i already got a codex for them and wanted a force that could support them with closecombat.

And i am fighting against a CMS deamon prince so i should get Grey knights to kill him .

Any ide if they are worth it ?

If you do not have grey knights, then I suggest you at least try out my idea. Borrow your brother's csm.

I have the codex of nearly each of the army (not tau) and I have less daemons than csm but I tried them as primary. I only have 1 dp and 20 blood letters and then 2 defilers proxyed as soulgrinders. I use the 1hq, 1 elite, 2 troops, 1 fast, 1 heavy slots to the maximum for my csm allies. That means, another DP but with the black mace, a full 10 man terminator squad, 2 squads of 10 csm in rhinos or 2 squads of 20 footslogging csm, 1 heldrake or 20 raptors (max bikers or spawns if i had any), a 20 man havoc squad or any tank. I can sneak in a landraider by having it as a dedicated transport for the terminators. So when I tell my opponents that I am playing daemons with csm allies, they would not think I would bring so much CSM.

I once played a person who had space marines with allied IG and I underestimated him believing I will kill his 3+ armor no problem. He had 2 platoons or what ever allowed him a gak ton of ig with so many chimeras, a squadron of vendettas, and a squadron of lrbt. I think he had troopers for his elite. I do not remember his hq though. His vendetta squadron shot down my heldrake no problem. My S8 AP3 battle cannon's large blasts did nothing as his ig had great cover from going to ground. His plasma lrbt killed my csm and terminators easily before I can even move them up close enough to melta them. His minimal space marines just claimed objectives after his ig gunline blasted away my army.

Doesn't your brother have the csm codex? or is it the outdated 4th ed version? The one good reason to primary csm in this case is to allow kharn to unlock the 20 kb as troops which can capture objectives and also provide a phenomenal close combat counter attack or deterrent.

He got the one from 4th ed , thanks to the fact that he stopped collecting CSM and got the dark angels codex for two days ago.

Now the things is that i am meeting nurgel so i will need to do large damage blasts that can take out his wounds .

And i don't see kharn and two groups of khorn bezerkers ever going to succeed in killing typhus and his nurgle marines


so i will need that litle extra that can kill his deamon prince while he is flying and when he is on the ground .

My first thought where the lrbt with plasma cannon but know i don't really know thanks to the fact that he told me today that he is getting a new one that can do the same as the other one and he uses the Burning Brand of Skalathrax that really destroys all my infantry that gets in range for him

I thought you said you wanted good close combat units and that is why I had advised just using your bro's old kb.

If you main csm then you can take 3 vindicators along with your squadron of eradicator lrbt. other wise I would main IG and take 9 lrbt with the plasma cannons. I forget, does the basilisk shoot S8 or S10 ap2 large blasts?

IG like CSM have access to the autocannons. However the IG can take more of it to kill the heldrake and fmc.

If you can get more ap3 then you should be good forcing plague marines to take their 5+ fnp saves. Most S10 weapons already have a lower ap than 3. You have vendettas to take down his heldrakes and flying dp so get some and you can transport your guardsmen.

So are you just getting grey knights just for preferred enemy daemons for that one flying DP?

They will be used to kill his three main slaughter machi es

1:winged Dp

2:the great unclean one

3 :typhus

All of them is known to make large damage and also be able to be tanky

How do i get some veteran squad soldiers? can't find them...are they some kind of proxy for the normal guards ?

no, normal guardsmen models are vets. Alot of people just do something like a white stripe on the helmet if them mix tthem.


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And if you don't mind spending money you could use kariskin models or vostroyans etc.

thanks for the info dude

your welcome, i love imperial guard and will not move to another main army


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So i am always pleased to help someone

yeah they are kick ass and i wanted to have a good anti nurgle army so i will go with two squads of veterans ..one leman russ with plasma canon and plasma side guns and then a company command squad or a platoon command squad

howmany points do you want to play?

well i got a list now with 800 points of ig then i will add my CSM units to that ...i where aiming for 1000-1500 points

Well I am probably going to say something that people do not agree with. But I am against alies. Unless you use IG as ally for something without flyer. I would rather go for 1500 IG then 800 IG 700 CSM becouse the power in IG is that you can do a cheap large blast spam but if you use close combat you have a decent chance of scattering on your own dudes.

yeah and thats why i will keep them as a meat shield and use as few template weapons as i can XD

Plasma vets and you are aware of that lrbt are heavy and so they can only shoot 1 gun (main cannon or your choice) at full Ballistic Skill and then snap fire the rest (can not snap fire blast or template weapons). Read more about the FAQ on Lumbering Behemoth on the official site. I think you can just take demolisher cannons on your leman russes.

I have to agree with commissar simon, you could just take more IG. IG is top tier competitive. You can get Ogryn to fulfill your Close combat weakness. What about Catachans?

I thought you said you was getting grey knights or are you just trying out the Bloody Murderous Red Caps? I think you should try them out at least for one game. And No they wont solve your Nurgle Problem. You need something that can take many AP3 close combat power weapons like banshee or S10 attacks from dreads.

I do not own a Daemon codex (2013) but nurgle what is the safe, toughness and do they have fnp? and the amount of wounds.

well i haven't decided how i should counter his daemon and his typhus

Vendettas vs his flying dp. The 3 tl lc should take care of it along with any drakes he takes and it will carry your men.

Any demolisher cannon (highest str&ap) or ap3 vs his plague marines.
U dont rly need an ally.

And even LRBT could do the job for killing marines. Basilisk S9AP3


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Or medusa, S9AP2 large blast or S10AP1 blast

Chaos allies:

Kharn as a standard lord

2x CSM+5, trade bolters for ccw, MoK, 2 plasmaguns (take melta for take all comers list), rhino, dirge caster-260 x2=520 to move them obj n clear or hold it.

Or just 2x CSM+5, 2 plasma, trade bolte for ccw-170x2=340 just stand there n countercharge for your guardsmen, be sure to add MoK if you want rage n counter attack. Give them IoV instead of IoW so they wont run away.

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