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So... since the addition of 4+ look out sir on most of the important guys and 2+ on the really important ones, I'm scratching my head as to the usefulness of Vindicaire Assassins. Aren't they pretty worthless at sniping important characters now that the characters will be saved pretty dang often?

Did you check the FAQs at all?

check the FAQ. It will answer your questions.

You're also forgetting things like sniping melta guns (which don't have LOS) and the really powerful anti-tank shot.

 Peregrine wrote:
the really powerful anti-tank shot.

Let me expound upon this a bit: you have a 92% chance to hit, a 76% chance to pen Armor Value 14, then a 50% chance to get an "explodes" result. In other words, when you shoot the Vindicare at a Land Raider with the Turbo-Penetrator round you have a 34.6% chance to destroy it outright. The Vindicare Assassin is simply one of the most powerful and reliable anti-tank units in the game. And in a codex that otherwise lacks a way to deal with vehicles other than S7 rending, he is incredibly valuable.

And as others have said, read the FAQ (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180055a_Grey_Knights_v1.4_APRIL13.pdf). LOS cannot be taken against the Vindicare's shots.

The vindicare can always man fortification gun emplacements, allowing for some abuse of the lascannon. And some great anti air shots (If a bit expensive for anti-air)

IIRC, there are NO Look Out Sir rolls against any shots made by a Vindicare.

 greyknight12 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
the really powerful anti-tank shot.

Let me expound upon this a bit: you have a 92% chance to hit, a 76% chance to pen Armor Value 14, then a 50% chance to get an "explodes" result. In other words, when you shoot the Vindicare at a Land Raider with the Turbo-Penetrator round you have a 34.6% chance to destroy it outright. The Vindicare Assassin is simply one of the most powerful and reliable anti-tank units in the game. And in a codex that otherwise lacks a way to deal with vehicles other than S7 rending, he is incredibly valuable.

This.

The Vindicare has the single best anti-tank gun in the game - I have to snipe him with lascannon or missile launchers before I let a land raider into range, because otherwise it's pretty much 230 points and a stalled attack handed to the enemy on a plate.

Waaaghpower wrote:
So... since the addition of 4+ look out sir on most of the important guys and 2+ on the really important ones, I'm scratching my head as to the usefulness of Vindicaire Assassins. Aren't they pretty worthless at sniping important characters now that the characters will be saved pretty dang often?

You don't want the Vindicaire because he can snipe characters, you want him because he rolls a 4d6+3 to penetrate vehicles. In other words, he all but autopens light vehicles and can very reliably punch through land raiders from a nice distance of 36'.

I'll simplify. FAQ stated that Look out sir can't be taken for a wound from the vindicare assassin.

So yeah. Pow goes the land raider. Then pow goes the character inside. You can even use that shot that removes invulnerable aves from wargear, so pow goes the stormshield on that character if they survive too xD

Also he's just evil when manning the krak missile storm launcher on a fortress of redemption. Does a fine (abet expensive) job of firing an emplaced Icarus lascannon too, as it comes to that.

Of the assassins, he is far and away the most non-situationally useful.

Think of all the characters that rely on invulnerable saves.

Draigo? No more shield. Eldrad? Poof. That crazy DA powerfield thing? No more.

I really want to work in GK allies just for the Vindicaire.

The best part about it is, once you wound the person it destroys the invulnerable save and then hits him with an AP1 hit.

Right. That seems like tricky wording to me, (The rulebook says that Look Out, Sir! Re-allocates the wound, so you're basically allocating, re-allocating, and then re-allocating again...) but I guess GW does what GW wants...
Oh well.

Well, I was just bored and scrolling through but now I guess I'm going to get GK just for this guy >.<

Exalbaru wrote:Well, I was just bored and scrolling through but now I guess I'm going to get GK just for this guy >.<

may as well get some psyrifleman dreads, Coteaz and henchmenm too,

 azazel the cat wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:Well, I was just bored and scrolling through but now I guess I'm going to get GK just for this guy >.<

may as well get some psyrifleman dreads, Coteaz and henchmenm too,

Yep, time to check scribd for the codex and if no good armies on swap shop or ebay may just do enough for allied on my SW. This model sounds amazing though.

He's amazing if you don't care about his 145pts price tag. He does have Infiltrate( dunno if he also has scout), stealth, 4+ invuln, 2 wounds, 6+ FNP. YMMV, Some games he's a steaming turd, others he's an allstar.

Coteaz
Vindicaire
3 acolytes with a razorbak Las TL Plas

It's like 335 points which gives you 1500 to play around with.

I really don't think 145pts is much for the potential that the Vindicare brings. However; I do agree that he's a bit hit or miss. They either make their points back and more, snipe the melta gun at the last moment or get instant deathed on turn 1.

He's awesome and all... but he's very susceptible to ordinance sniping. All he's even done to me is make a unit waste a turn of fire. I've faced 5 or 6 Vindicares so far.... all I do is reserve whatever I can't let them shoot and then have everything fire at him until he's a steaming pile of Assassin House goo.

I think I've lost one rank and file model to date.

 Griddlelol wrote:
I really don't think 145pts is much for the potential that the Vindicare brings. However; I do agree that he's a bit hit or miss. They either make their points back and more, snipe the melta gun at the last moment or get instant deathed on turn 1.

And what are you going to do? Use your other long ranged anti-heavy tank options? Well, unless you go for monkey spam, which to this day still looks really, really silly next to all these serious looking grey knight models.

"...day still looks really, really 'Awesome' next to all these serious looking grey knights..."

Fixed.

Impractical though, i'd suggest squads of 2 jokaero, 2 crusaders, and 3 plasma gun acolytes. (+ servitors if you happen to have an inquisitor in the squad)

My vindicare is, literally, hit or miss (yes, I have missed with him before). And despite the odds, I've epically failed to blow up vehicles countless times. His main downside is that he is as easy to kill as 2 space marines, the worst is when a dev squad puts 4 ML into him...even in a ruin he'll die.

One of my regular opponents took a GK techmarine to boost his cover save to 2+, which was pretty effective. This made it necessary to use S8+ weapons to reliably kill him, reducing my anti-tank fire available for other threats.

 Kain wrote:
In other words, he all but autopens light vehicles and can very reliably punch through land raiders from a nice distance of 36'.

Holy his range is 36 ft?

Yea man. He can hit -other- people's opponents from 4 or 6 tables away

...you know depending on which deployment you're all using of course

In all seriousness he's pricey and can get killed easily. He can't be part of a squad. The best you can do is have some squad next to him run in front of him after he shoots and hope for a decent cover save.

I wouldn't bring him at less than 2000 but, if the opponent has put down a Land Raider, Monolith, SoulGrinder, Defiler, I've just made back my points

That 4D6 pen is way better than say Longstrike in a Hammerhead (LongHead TM) but, the LongHead pays about 40 points more for being BS5 in durable AV13.

Tesla, oh how I love thee. Vaporized so many of those feckers already :*

If I am using the Vindi I usually park a Rhino Behind cover and give up 1 turn of shooting to put him in it if they have a lot of ID or ignores cover.

I also like to bolster his Cover w/ a GK Tech marine.

He's incredibly easy to kill. If your enemy goes first, your Vindacre will die before he gets a shot off, which is the main reason people don't take him. He's probably the highest ratio of damage output vs vulnerability in the game so he will die quickly.

step one:
- take a vindicare and a bastion in your army list
step two:
-put the vindicare inside
step three:
-profit


a lot of points for something immobile however