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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 02:03:04
Subject: Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I know that practically nobody runs Ethereals and nobody runs Aun'Va, however, something I can't quite figure out.
Paradox of Duality gives Aun'Va and his unit a chance to "save" a wound, they would normally not get a save against. If successful, the wound is treated as if it had been saved by a cover save. Would Aun'Va still benefit if the weapon in question ignores cover?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 02:07:28
Subject: Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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Making Stuff
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Would have to check the wording in the codex to be sure, but going by what you have posted there, yes, he would still get it.
If it said that he gets to take a cover save, then anything that ignores cover would ignore it.
If it says that you make the save and if succussful it is treated as having been saved by a cover save, you have skipped over the trigger for ignoring cover and gone straight to the end result. Regardless of whether or not taking a cover save was possible, you treat it as having been saved by a cover save.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 02:10:16
Subject: Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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"the wound is discounted. exactly as if a cover save had been passed"
I can see it either way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 02:20:46
Subject: Re:Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Yeah, it's mildly ambiguous. Personally I agree with the idea that the wound is saved and it is not a cover save being taken so much as just borrowing what happens 'after' a cover save is made in an effort to save rules-space or somesuch.
I suspect it was made using the cover save verbiage rather than an invulnerable one just in case it got too broken; then it could always be FAQed to not apply to cover-ignoring weapons to bring it back to par. Will have to wait until it is FAQed to find out for sure I'd wager.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 02:23:01
Subject: Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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I think they didn't think it through *gasp* and didn't want to call it an invulnerable save because of all the little abilities and such that mess with invul saves. Didn't stop to think of the stuff that messes with cover saves though...
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 04:43:15
Subject: Re:Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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In the same light, i'd take issue with an opponent saying that 'Stealth' granted them a +1 to the roll or 'Shrouded' a +2 for example. It does not appear that it 'is' definitively a cover save, so much as it is 'resolved' like one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/07 16:24:12
Subject: Paradox of Duality and Ignore Cover weapons
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I've used him in a game and he's awesome. No one in his unit took a wound due to the staff. The cover save verbiage is just an example. Automatically Appended Next Post: On a side note they add a lot to the tau why would you not use one in a build. Rerolls board wide, his leadership within 12 inches, and 2 powers per turn, Aun'va is sweet 100 point buffer.
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