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I'm about to graduate high school at the end of this month and am looking forward to the rapidly approaching moment when I will have the cash to buy my first army. Still money is going to be tight and since I've never played I don't really have an idea of what does and doesn't work. Any one got any army lists out there that they would recommend to me so I don't waste a bunch of my precious budget on a useless army? BTW I'm hoping to play as Imperial guard with ork allies at 1850 points

I would suggest a list like this:
IG
HQ:
CCS: 50
Elites:
Guardsman Marbo: 65
Troops:
Veteran Squad: x3 plasma: 115
Veteran Squad: x3 plasma: 115
Fast Attack:
Vendetta: 130
Heavy Support:
Ordnance Battery: x2 basilisks: 250
Ordnance Battery: x2 medusas: 270
Orks:
HQ:
Warboss: mega armor, cybork body: 110
Troops:
Nobs: x7, mega armor, combi skorchas, battlewagon: deff rolla: 425
Ork Boyz: x30 boyz, nob power klaw: 215
Aegis Defense Line: Quad Gun: 100
The basic Idea is the Imperial guard sit behind the aegis line and shoot away while the orks take most of your opponents attention as they speed across the board, and guardsman marbo infiltrates to wreak some havoc.

Well, I suggest either vanilla Marines or Necrons.
Marines: Librarian w/ terminator armor, 5 Termies w/ TH/SS, Stormraven, 2x10 Tactical Marines w/ Rhinos, 5 Sniper Scouts, Storm Talon, 2 Vindicators.
Necrons (my favorite): Destroyer Lord, 2x 6 Wraiths, 2x 10 Warriors w/ Night Scythes, 10 Immortals w/ Night Scythe, 3 Annihilation Barges.

You really need to look at the IG codex and think on it a little.

You want massed troops? Use a guard "blob" or two to scare your opponent?

You like armor and be a mechanized group?

You like playing "Flight of the Valkyries" and bringing in 3 Vendettas and various troops in them?

Going to spam heavy and special weapons groups?

You want a couple psychic choirs and give your enemy a headache?

Maybe normal guard just are not cheap enough in points: conscripts! LOTS of them. Nothing like angry penal legion troops to show the enemy what dirty fighting is all about.

There are so many options as your core tactic to choose from, and usually there are support choices that can make the tactic viable.

Have fun.

I play both Orks and Imperial Guard and I don't want to scare you off either army but they can both be really expensive to play. If you want a good army that you can build for cheep I'd go Grey Knights.

Sinji wrote:
I play both Orks and Imperial Guard and I don't want to scare you off either army but they can both be really expensive to play. If you want a good army that you can build for cheep I'd go Grey Knights.

Hence the my tightening belt, still its what I want and I don't give up for reasons like that


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 Talizvar wrote:
You really need to look at the IG codex and think on it a little.

You want massed troops? Use a guard "blob" or two to scare your opponent?

You like armor and be a mechanized group?

You like playing "Flight of the Valkyries" and bringing in 3 Vendettas and various troops in them?

Going to spam heavy and special weapons groups?

You want a couple psychic choirs and give your enemy a headache?

Maybe normal guard just are not cheap enough in points: conscripts! LOTS of them. Nothing like angry penal legion troops to show the enemy what dirty fighting is all about.

There are so many options as your core tactic to choose from, and usually there are support choices that can make the tactic viable.

Have fun.

I was trying to piece together a IG gunline with Ork attack dogs. I don't know how vendettas play on the table but they look cool and that's enough justification for me, I wanted to mix in some artillery and some heavy weapon teams/mechanized infantry with orky pals to keep some pressure off.

Sinji wrote:
I play both Orks and Imperial Guard and I don't want to scare you off either army but they can both be really expensive to play. If you want a good army that you can build for cheep I'd go Grey Knights.

Well, the same can be said about Necrons and Necrons work better in our local meta.

 RoadToRuin wrote:


I was trying to piece together a IG gunline with Ork attack dogs. I don't know how vendettas play on the table but they look cool and that's enough justification for me, I wanted to mix in some artillery and some heavy weapon teams/mechanized infantry with orky pals to keep some pressure off.

I don't think that would work very well, in my experience splitting your forces between ranged and close combat isn't a good plan, I'd go either completely Orks (fun, but hard to play competitively) or IG (can be a lot of fun, trust me, I'm a Guard player, and are easy to play competitively if you have the right knowledge). If I were you I'd go IG Mech army, Use Vendettas or Valkyries to drop troops (I use Veterans) at objectives, or to surprise enemy units. I usually equip my Vets with either 3 meltaguns (great for cracking tanks or MCs) or 3 flamers (good for killing hordes or big squads) and, you always have your lasguns to deal with stuff in-between. I then often use a couple of LRBTs as support, because you can never go wrong with those pieplates, and, if I have the points leftover, a Nova-Cannon Leman Russ, for dealing with those annoying squads that just oh-so love to sit in cover Just some advice from a long-time IG and Ork player

Creed-$19.25

2x 10 guardsmen-$29x2=$58

Titan-$40-450 (scratch build or buy forge world)

The look on your opponents face when you use Creeds tactical geniousness to have your titan appear out of a ruin.

PRICELESS!

BrotherOfBone wrote:

 RoadToRuin wrote:


I was trying to piece together a IG gunline with Ork attack dogs. I don't know how vendettas play on the table but they look cool and that's enough justification for me, I wanted to mix in some artillery and some heavy weapon teams/mechanized infantry with orky pals to keep some pressure off.

I don't think that would work very well, in my experience splitting your forces between ranged and close combat isn't a good plan, I'd go either completely Orks (fun, but hard to play competitively) or IG (can be a lot of fun, trust me, I'm a Guard player, and are easy to play competitively if you have the right knowledge). If I were you I'd go IG Mech army, Use Vendettas or Valkyries to drop troops (I use Veterans) at objectives, or to surprise enemy units. I usually equip my Vets with either 3 meltaguns (great for cracking tanks or MCs) or 3 flamers (good for killing hordes or big squads) and, you always have your lasguns to deal with stuff in-between. I then often use a couple of LRBTs as support, because you can never go wrong with those pieplates, and, if I have the points leftover, a Nova-Cannon Leman Russ, for dealing with those annoying squads that just oh-so love to sit in cover Just some advice from a long-time IG and Ork player

That sounds pretty good. How does this list sound

HQ
CCS 50

Elites
Marbo 65

Troops

Vet squads
2x Vet sarge, 3x flamers, vox caster 180
1x vet sarge 3x flamers, vox caster, chimera 145
2x Vet sarge, 3x melta, vox caster 105
1x vet sarge 3x meltas, vox caster, chimera 160

Fast attack

2x Valkyrie 200
2x Vendetta with sponson HB's 280

Heavy support

3x LRBT with sponson bolters, extra armor 555

Well, IG and Orks are no armies for an absolute beginner.

I'd say necrons are probably the best over all beginner army right now.

 RoadToRuin wrote:

BrotherOfBone wrote:

 RoadToRuin wrote:


I was trying to piece together a IG gunline with Ork attack dogs. I don't know how vendettas play on the table but they look cool and that's enough justification for me, I wanted to mix in some artillery and some heavy weapon teams/mechanized infantry with orky pals to keep some pressure off.

I don't think that would work very well, in my experience splitting your forces between ranged and close combat isn't a good plan, I'd go either completely Orks (fun, but hard to play competitively) or IG (can be a lot of fun, trust me, I'm a Guard player, and are easy to play competitively if you have the right knowledge). If I were you I'd go IG Mech army, Use Vendettas or Valkyries to drop troops (I use Veterans) at objectives, or to surprise enemy units. I usually equip my Vets with either 3 meltaguns (great for cracking tanks or MCs) or 3 flamers (good for killing hordes or big squads) and, you always have your lasguns to deal with stuff in-between. I then often use a couple of LRBTs as support, because you can never go wrong with those pieplates, and, if I have the points leftover, a Nova-Cannon Leman Russ, for dealing with those annoying squads that just oh-so love to sit in cover Just some advice from a long-time IG and Ork player

That sounds pretty good. How does this list sound

HQ
CCS 50

Elites
Marbo 65

Troops

Vet squads
2x Vet sarge, 3x flamers, vox caster 180
1x vet sarge 3x flamers, vox caster, chimera 145
2x Vet sarge, 3x melta, vox caster 105
1x vet sarge 3x meltas, vox caster, chimera 160

Fast attack

2x Valkyrie 200
2x Vendetta with sponson HB's 280

Heavy support

3x LRBT with sponson bolters, extra armor 555

Seems quite good, but, 2 tips, never take sponson HBs on Vendettas or Valkyries, and, Vendettas are SO MUCH BETTER. They're absolutely worth the points, and, you probably won't need those sponson HBs on your LRBTs, I never use them and I come out fine If you can also make the points, put your CCS in a Chimera, it gives them a better command radius and it protects them, which will most likely starve your opponent of that Slay The Warlord, as for the veterans, you might not want to give them Voxcasters if your CCS isn't up there with them, Voxcasters let them reroll failed leadership rolls for orders, and you probably won't be giving them orders if your CCS is on the other side of the board xD

So than my next proto list is

HQ
CCS with chimera

Elites
Marbo

Troops

Vet squads
2x Vet sarge, 3x flamers
1x vet sarge 3x flamers, chimera
2x Vet sarge, 3x melta
1x vet sarge 3x meltas, chimera

Fast attack

4x Vendettas

Heavy support

3x LRBT with extra armor

I'm considering burning morbo for some artillery and I got 60 more points to burn anyway. Suggestions?

Take the extra armour off the Russes, burn Marbo, now, what are you actually going to use the Veterans for, are you going to use the Chimera Vets to drive up as a distraction and to kill some units and then the Vendetta mounted ones to take objectives? Because the ones that you want to take and hold objectives (if not all of them) should probably have Carapace Armour, and, if you're going to leave the objectives in cover, then give them Forward Sentries (snare mines are great against horde/combat armies, and that extra cover save helps more than Carapace Armour), and if you don't want that, then burn Marbo and the Extra Armour for a squad of Stormtroopers, take some Vets out of the Vendetta, swap them for Stormtroopers, they're a hell of a lot better, give them a couple of flamers/meltas/plasguns and a boltgun and they kick serious ass! Especially with that AP3, you'll just chew through Space Marines

Next possible list for review

HQ

CCS with Chimera

Elites

Stormtroopers with 2x Plasma guns

Troops

1x Veteran squad
3x Plasma
Carapace
sergeant with BP and CCW

2x Veteran squad
3x Flamers
Carapace
sergeant with BP and CCW

2x Veteran squad
3x Melta guns
Carapace
sergeant with BP and CCW

Fast attack

3x Vendetta Gunships

Heavy Support

2x Leman Russ
2x Basilisk

35 points still to burn

If you've got points left put some Special Weapons in your CCS, other than that, this list looks pretty good

35 points, get 4 flamers in CCS leaves you with 15 points, could do a dozerblade on the chimera of CCS and maybe 5 point upgrade somewhere. Then do multilaser/heavy flamer chimera