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Howdy all, searching didn't bring up this issue so perhaps it's a new one.

Consider a broad side with a target lock. The broad side can shoot at the same unit as his squad and can fire at a different unit. He can also fire 2 weapons. Thus, can you, say, shoot the rail gun at a tank and the SMS at some infantry? The infantry would be your units primary target, and you would use the rail gun with target lock to shoot at the tank.

I see nothing that says a model with a target lock must shoot a different unit than his units target. Why would that be the case with 2 weapons then? I think the target lock lets him him shoot both the primary target and secondary target with different weapons.

If they wanted to allow you to shoot at two different targets via a Target Lock then they would have specified it much like they did with Shadowsun.

Rule of thumb: Unless your special rules explicitly allow something, you cannot do it.

Target Lock allows the model to shoot a different target from the squad. Nothing allows him to fire multiple weapons at different targets.

Shadow sun doesn't have a target lock.... so specifying that she can and that her rules are different... I'm not so sure thats a solid argument. Its what I originally thought as well until i read the rule again..

they are shooting at different targets... But there is nothing that says they can't also shoot at the primary with their secondary weapon. I don't see any rules being broken...

This is a tough question

 frgsinwntr wrote:
But there is nothing that says they can't...

Which is never a good argument. You need to find what says that they can...

Your right. Shadowsun doesn't have a Target Lock and I never said she did. So no, she can't fire both weapons at a different target from the rest of her unit. What she does have is a special rule that says "She may fire one weapon at the same target as the rest of her unit and fire the second weapon at a different target." which is what the OP was asking if the Target Lock could be interpreted as.

Ghaz, it's not that "it doesn't say they can't," it's "they can definately fire at unit a (primary) and unit b (target lock)," thus if they have the ability to shoot at the unit and a seperate target do both weapons have to pick one or the other.

In close combat when in base with 2 units you seperate by attacks. some old rules like old fate weaver allowed splitting to different units with shooting.

DevianID wrote:
Ghaz, it's not that "it doesn't say they can't," it's "they can definately fire at unit a (primary) and unit b (target lock)," thus if they have the ability to shoot at the unit and a seperate target do both weapons have to pick one or the other.

Except it indeed doesn't say that they can, otherwise this thread would not exist. So why would a rule that allows a model fire at a different model than the rest of his unit mean that a model can fire one of his weapons at a different unit than the rest of his weapons? What rule says he can do this?

Target lock says the MODEL can fire at another target, that means said model fires at this other target and nothing else.

 HoverBoy wrote:
Target lock says the MODEL can fire at another target, that means said model fires at this other target and nothing else.

This ^^^ is the most important distinction made so far...

Beast wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:
Target lock says the MODEL can fire at another target, that means said model fires at this other target and nothing else.

This ^^^ is the most important distinction made so far...

QFT. Completely agree with this ruling, both as RAW and HIWPI.

Yeah, the Target Lock has never allowed you to split weapons fire between a model's individual weapons. You're getting confused with the '06 codex's Vehicle Target lock, which did exactly that.

The suit version has always specified that the model fires separately from his unit.