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Two questions from the recent game:

First, I am confused by the way the IC detachment rule is written. I blew up a Land Raider with a Thunderlord and the Emps. Champ + a squad piles out. The BT player didn't want the EC to get into CC with my lord because he A) get pummeled and B) get locked. So he attempted to break him away and move from the Land Raider crater and rolled snake eyes. Can the IC be effectively considered as "detached" in this scenario as he cannot end 2"+ from the unit. The rules states "where possible," and in this instance it was possible but failed.

Second, with "our weapons are useless," my teammate and I assaulted a fat squad of neophytes and BT with an Av13 Walker (from the Orks? was Forgeworld or something rules) and two Lone Wolves. Now, the BT could not hurt the walker, but they could my Lone Wolves. Can they use "Our weapons are useless" because they are locked with a model they cannot harm, even thought they were l locked with models they could?


(Bonus round: I couldn't find it and it alludes me, where is the rule in the BRB that states you must deep strike at the bottom of a ruin? My opponent wanted to DS drop pods on the top floor of a ruin and didn't have the time to root through effectively).

Thank you.

1) The unit also gets to move away, so they would both have to roll snake eyes, and start in b2b, in order for this to happen. I assume you are also NOT talking about the disembark because the vehicle was wrecked, as I dont believe (unless it changed?) that you CAN separate outside of the movement phase - although I'm away from my books right now, so have a sneaking suspicion im missing something new....

2) The BT can automatically fail, as their weapons ARE useless. However again I thought BT were Fearless in cc - so can never fail. Again, this could have changed....

1) You can only leave the unit during the movement phase (pg. 39, 4th paragraph of the box 'Independent Character'. You're specifically forbidden to leave in any other way.

Since you had to join the IC and the squad before embarking, you are still joined when it explodes.

2) The 'Our weapons are useless' rule is pretty broad. You only have to be locked in combat with 'an' enemy that you can't hurt, not 'only enemies' they can't hurt.
Remenber though that they still have to _lose_ the combat before they are allowed to break off. If the walker misses everything it's a draw and noone has to take Morale tests (which they can then auto-fail).

Bonus round: page 36, Deep Strike, left column, second paragraph from the bottom.

'Units deep striking into ruins are placed on the ground floor'

The movement was being made in the movement phase for the IC. They were base to base because the Land Raider exploded. They rolled snake eyes for difficult terrain. Could the IC break away?

 TheKbob wrote:
The movement was being made in the movement phase for the IC. They were base to base because the Land Raider exploded. They rolled snake eyes for difficult terrain. Could the IC break away?

If he doesn't get at least 2 inches away from the other unit he's not left it. Because one of the requirements is that he must leave unit coherency (same paragraph as I referenced before). The 'where possible' clause is only for IC's that do not intend to _join_ a unit: they must remain, where possible, 2 inches away.

But to end up in this situation would require that the IC was almost surrounded by the other unit's models in b2b contact. With an exploding Land Raider you should have enough space to spread the squad enough.

 TheKbob wrote:
The movement was being made in the movement phase for the IC. They were base to base because the Land Raider exploded. They rolled snake eyes for difficult terrain. Could the IC break away?

Given how large a LR is, unless it was a crusader there shouldnt have been need for them to be in btb?

Still, as the IC cannot get out of coherency, it cannot leave the unit.

IC's can only willingly leave a unit in the Movement phase. thy can involuntarily leave anytime.

OK, was far too definite there - in this case it could not leave the unit, as it was unable to make the required distance.