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Necron:
Destroyer lordx2 300pt

Troops:
Necron warriors x5 in night scythe 165pt
Necron warriors x5 in night scythe 165pt
Necron Imortalsx5 in night scythe 185pt

Fast attack:
6xwraiths 2xcoils230pt
6xwraiths 2xcoils 230pt
5x destroyer’s 200pt
Heavy support:
3xannhilation barges 270pt

what do you think more troops?????

Presumably going for 1750? Should mention that somewhere so we don't have to add up the points.

You're light on troops sure but with careful use you should have just about enough.

What if your opponent brings Landraiders though. Your DLords in cc are your only hope. You're not exactly Destroyer wing but that's a good thing. Not sure the Destroyer squad is really needed.

Otherwise looks solid but unless you get some way of dealing with AV14 it won't be competitive.

what would you suggest mate because im new

What in the codex has a realistic chance of killing a Landraider?

 FlingitNow wrote:
What in the codex has a realistic chance of killing a Landraider?

necron warriors.

Their guass blasters - while only S4 - always glance on an armor penetration roll of 6. So a big blob of necron warriors rapid firing guass blasters has a very decent chance of inflicting 4 glances (ie 4 hull points = wrecked LR) on a land raider.

Also...One of the Necron flyers (either the night scythe or the doomsday ark) has the "Death Ray" which is makes a 12" line across the table and any thing it touches takes a S10 hit. The odds are lower, but that can kill a LR.

A night scythe with 5 warriors and a stormtek is probably one of the most reliable way to kill any tank

Yeah big warrior blobs. Death ray perhaps though not reliably. Triarch stalker is another option. Stormteks are theme best option but not available here. Heavy destroyers being the only other option but at 180 points for 3 pretty easy to kill lascanons they not efficient at it.

So what from above could you fit in your list?

Jfan wrote:Necron:
Destroyer lordx2 300pt I'm not sure what you are doing here to make them 300 for 2. May I recommend the base WarScythe, Semipiternal Weave, and MindShackle Scarabs (320)

Troops:
Necron warriors x5 in night scythe 165pt more troops. try for 9 or 10 in a squad
Necron warriors x5 in night scythe 165pt
Necron Imortalsx5 in night scythe 185pt

Fast attack:
6xwraiths 2xcoils230pt more WCs. Try for 5 or 6.
6xwraiths 2xcoils 230pt
5x destroyer’s 200pt I would drop these to pay for the above additions
If you want a heavily Destroyer Themed army, consider dropping the Annihilation Barges instead and running 2x 3 Heavy Destroyers (360)
Heavy support:
3xannhilation barges 270pt

what do you think more troops?????

Yes, but this is really not bad. Don't be afraid to go play it a few times, and then make some decisions on what to change.

Jfan wrote:what would you suggest mate because im new

1000, 1500, 1750, 1850 and 2000 are all common options. If you play mostly with friends, ask them. If you play mostly at your FLGS, ask around there. If I had to guess, I'd say 1500 is the plurality of games, but not the majority.

A GumyBear wrote:A night scythe with 5 warriors and a stormtek is probably one of the most reliable way to kill any tank

Very true, but this list don't have access to Royal Court



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 FlingitNow wrote:
Heavy destroyers being the only other option but at 180 points for 3 pretty easy to kill lascanons they not efficient at it.

meh, normally I would not argue the point. It's the prevailing wisdom I have seen on Dakka as well as a few other sites. In this list however, it's less true.

T5, 3+ armor, Jump Infantry movement, and a 36" range means that the opponent either has to close with them for things like Meltas or Plasma to work (difficult) or shoot at them with >24" weaponry. Every round that my opponent is shooting Large Blast, high Strength pie plates at my Destroyers instead of my rapidly approaching T4 Wraiths is points well spent.

The big threat to these guys is Missile Launchers (krak) and Lascannons. Both are relitively common, go right through their armor, and wound on a 2+. Sure, a dead Destroyer stands back up on a 5+, but you can't overly rely on that. If Missile Launchers (krak) and/or Lascannons are common in his opponents list, I concede the point.

Also missile sides nail them. But those won't be present in a list with AV14 and the destroyers do well against Broadsides.

Lascannons missile launchers and lottas will all likely be around in lists with AV14 though. Plus to get 2 units he'd have to drop a unit of wraiths as they are fast attack now...

 FlingitNow wrote:
Plus to get 2 units he'd have to drop a unit of wraiths as they are fast attack now...

ew, good catch. My brain glossed right over that.

I stand by my initial recommendations. The (flawed) HDetroyer option was for themed army. Drop the 5x Destroyers for correctly equipped DLords, more WCs, and larger troops squads.

I just cannot believe that a wraith with a whip-coil is only 45 points.
I can have a stock Thunderwolf cavalry model for 50 points and it's not as good as the wraith for 45.

Jfan wrote:
Necron:
Destroyer lordx2 300pt

Troops:
Necron warriors x5 in night scythe 165pt
Necron warriors x5 in night scythe 165pt
Necron Imortalsx5 in night scythe 185pt

Fast attack:
6xwraiths 2xcoils230pt
6xwraiths 2xcoils 230pt
5x destroyer’s 200pt
Heavy support:
3xannhilation barges 270pt

what do you think more troops?????

With a Destroyerwing, I would drop a unit of Wraiths and add another full unit of regular Destroyers. Sure, it's only 5 guys with a 24" weapon, but that weapon is assault 2 with Gauss and preferred Enemy, giving you basically a 2+ to hit. I would then do three Whip Coils in the remaining wraith unit, and give both Lords Sempiternal weave for that 2+.

Gauss is a very effective way to kill tanks. You don't need melta against AV14, you just need more warriors.

but destroyer lords are not good with destroyers so what hq will roll with the destroyer squad

In reality the only hq in the cron codex that is even meh with destroyers is a dlord with staff of light. It gives you a whole lot of s5 ap3 in one squad and marines will fear you but its such a large inefficient use of points its best to leave that tactic at home

Let's be clear: Necrons have a very strong codex, but very little variety. This is because while some units are really, really good, others are not. Destroyers fall into the second category. If you want to use them it's perfectly fine, but be aware that the list won't be as competitive. Competitively speaking, there is absolutely no reason to use them, wraiths are just better. I personally use 5+5+6 wraiths with 2 coils per unit, in the smaller units i put DLs as well (that cost 160 points btw, not 150: weave and MSSs are a must-have). They are all the anti-AV14 i need, 7+2D6 to penetrate and with a penetrating hit they explode the vehicle on a 4+. Immortals have no reason to exist: warriors will be used to have access to scythes, that's it, and won't even disembrark from them until at least turn 4. You should also consider an ADL with comms relay: for just 70 points you give Annis a 4+ cover (instead of 5+ if they move, which means shooting at BS1 with the secondary wepon as well) and they allow you to have all the scythes on the table on turn 2 most of the times.

Teschio wrote:
Let's be clear: Necrons have a very strong codex, but very little variety. This is because while some units are really, really good, others are not. Destroyers fall into the second category. If you want to use them it's perfectly fine, but be aware that the list won't be as competitive. Competitively speaking, there is absolutely no reason to use them, wraiths are just better. I personally use 5+5+6 wraiths with 2 coils per unit, in the smaller units i put DLs as well (that cost 160 points btw, not 150: weave and MSSs are a must-have). They are all the anti-AV14 i need, 7+2D6 to penetrate and with a penetrating hit they explode the vehicle on a 4+. Immortals have no reason to exist: warriors will be used to have access to scythes, that's it, and won't even disembrark from them until at least turn 4. You should also consider an ADL with comms relay: for just 70 points you give Annis a 4+ cover (instead of 5+ if they move, which means shooting at BS1 with the secondary wepon as well) and they allow you to have all the scythes on the table on turn 2 most of the times.

On tourneys destroyers aint useful at all. I run similar configuration of FA as Teschio, 5+5+6 wraiths on 1850, 2 coils in 6-man squad, 1 coil and d.lord for two 5 man wraiths unit. I think immortals is still considerable, I use warriors but imm can also be used.

Comms relay might be useful, I dont use them, I have 4 scythes and they are mainly for transport capacity and ultra-mobile troops, statistically i get 2-3 of them in second turn so i dont think its so important to buy ADL, I prefer to have 2 wraiths more for this price.

Is it possible to hide barge behind ADL? I thought that its too high and it would be hard to get 25% of model hidden.