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Sorry, I honestly couldn't think of how to clearly title this. Anyways.

Tau Commander equipped with Command and Control Node, Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite, Velocity Tracker, Early Warning Override.

Tau commander moves and joins a unit to buff the firepower present in that unit. End of turn comes, Something deep strikes or flies onto the board from reserves, I fire at it utilizing all the systems listed. Turn ends, My turn again. The commander then moves and joins a different unit. Do his buff systems work? I would say yes.

CnC+MsSS both state that if the commander does not shoot, he is eligible to use these, and say nothing about ability or inability to fire. Interceptor says that models cannot fire the specific weapon they fired in the previous phase, but can fire other weapons if they possess them. (commander did not fire any weapons.) Basically I just wanted a few opinions, because I can't think of a way to say no to this, but I'm biased as it's my force that would be doing this, thus I know my brain's not trying as hard as it could.

Yes, it still works. As you said, interceptor only applies to specific weapons, while the support systems only require that you don't shoot.

I mean, I agree, but I just wanna make sure I'm not intentionally overlooking anything and get called out when I do it. >.>

 Peregrine wrote:
interceptor only applies to specific weapons

Don't models (not weapons) in the Tau codex now buy Interceptor? And is this problematic? (because the USR mentions weapons but not models)

Tau models buy "Early Warning Override", which states that all weapons on the model have interceptor.

Anbutou wrote:
I mean, I agree, but I just wanna make sure I'm not intentionally overlooking anything and get called out when I do it. >.>

Well, he doesn't need the Velocity Tracker because he never fires anything.

I'd be incredibly dubious about him being able to use "instead of shooting" wargear when he isn't eligible to fire at all. Which he isn't because he won't have Interceptor without any weapons. But assuming you can use the support systems on an Interceptor shot there is nothing stopping him moving to join someone else and using them in the immediately following turn.

Chrysis wrote:
I'd be incredibly dubious about him being able to use "instead of shooting" wargear when he isn't eligible to fire at all.

I guess you consider Genestealers (or any other model without ranged weapons) Running incredible dubious either?

Also, there is a precedent in Codex BA FAQ:

Q: Can a Furioso Librarian still use a psychic shooting attack if he
has no weapons left? (p29)
A: Yes.

Luide wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
I'd be incredibly dubious about him being able to use "instead of shooting" wargear when he isn't eligible to fire at all.

I guess you consider Genestealers (or any other model without ranged weapons) Running incredible dubious either?

Also, there is a precedent in Codex BA FAQ:

Q: Can a Furioso Librarian still use a psychic shooting attack if he
has no weapons left? (p29)
A: Yes.

That doesn't have anything to do with the matter at hand.

he buys an early warning system which states that it gives all his weapons interceptor.
Why would that allow him to use a skill that is expressedly NOT his weapon (and thus doesn't have interceptor) in the enemy's movement phase?

Luide wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
I'd be incredibly dubious about him being able to use "instead of shooting" wargear when he isn't eligible to fire at all.

I guess you consider Genestealers (or any other model without ranged weapons) Running incredible dubious either?

Also, there is a precedent in Codex BA FAQ:

Q: Can a Furioso Librarian still use a psychic shooting attack if he
has no weapons left? (p29)
A: Yes.

Both of these are inaccurate comparisons, not having a weapon is not the same as being ineligible to fire a weapon.

None of which is relevant because the wording of this wargear is "if [the model] does not shoot" so dramas over "instead of" never come into it.

The wargear gives the model interceptor, and skyfire. Because he has Interceptor and Skyfire and is an independent character, when attached to a unit, he gives that unit Interceptor and Skyfire as long as he's attached (models possessing special rules applying them to the squad they're in.) These are static buffs and not all reliant upon any other wargear, or shooting scenarios.

The shooting buffs are the Command and Control Node and the Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite. They state, as long as the model who possesses these items does not fire, he awards his squad Ignores Cover (MsSS) and twin linked (C&CN).

My question is simply because he can't fire, because he's not "firing" the way I see this he can join units, participate in interceptor/skyfire shenanigans, and then move and join another unit and buff it's firing capability in the turn immediately following the interceptor activation, where other models are prohibited from utilization of weapons they activated during interceptor, because he didn't fire.

As a side question, can I just type the actual text of the rulebook next time I have a question like this to prevent confusion over what the actual rules say? I don't know, but I didn't want to get modded over it, lol.

The wargear gives the model interceptor, and skyfire. Because he has Interceptor and Skyfire and is an independent character, when attached to a unit, he gives that unit Interceptor and Skyfire as long as he's attached (models possessing special rules applying them to the squad they're in.)

Where in the rules does it say any of this. No model gets interceptor in the Tau codex. Where are you getting that a model with a rule auto passes it onto everyone else?

Also there is an argument against being able to us the C&C node and MSSS at any time other than the shooting phase...

 FlingitNow wrote:

The wargear gives the model interceptor, and skyfire. Because he has Interceptor and Skyfire and is an independent character, when attached to a unit, he gives that unit Interceptor and Skyfire as long as he's attached (models possessing special rules applying them to the squad they're in.)

Where in the rules does it say any of this. No model gets interceptor in the Tau codex. Where are you getting that a model with a rule auto passes it onto everyone else?

Also there is an argument against being able to us the C&C node and MSSS at any time other than the shooting phase...

The Early Warning Override Support System grants Interceptor to the equipped model's weapons. But it, and the Velocity Tracker (Skyfire), are quite specific to the model in question. They absolutely will not pass on to other models in the unit, only the shooting buffs from the C&C node and MSSS will.

Given the C&C node and MSSS explicitly don't work for Overwatch, I'm doubtful they work in other non-Shooting Phase situations as well. Especially when the model in question is not firing because he has no permission to fire, rather than choosing not to fire or simply not having anything to fire.


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Anbutou wrote:
The wargear gives the model interceptor, and skyfire. Because he has Interceptor and Skyfire and is an independent character, when attached to a unit, he gives that unit Interceptor and Skyfire as long as he's attached (models possessing special rules applying them to the squad they're in.) These are static buffs and not all reliant upon any other wargear, or shooting scenarios.

This is, absolutely, 100% wrong. Read the "Special Rules" section of the Independent characters rule.

Chrysis you've just repeated what I said but making sound like you were disagreeing with me?

I disagreed with "No model gets Interceptor in the Tau Codex." which now that I think about it is technically true as it isn't the model, it's the model's weapons. So let's go with easily misinterpreted rather than wrong.

I agree with the rest though.

Yes that was the point I was making that the weapons got interceptor not the model.

So we are 100% in agreement. Excellent.