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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/14 16:43:35
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Sniping Hexa
Some small city in nowhere, Illinois,United States
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So I had some experience with playing the game and that, so I got some more stuff and that. Also I realized I had some Merc stuff that I had when I tried to get in this (PMagnus and his battlebox warjacks he came with and a min unit of Steelhead Halberdiers, of which I can use with Menoth as I was trying to sell the Merc stuff at my FLGS and I was told that). So with that, and some gathering of some purchases, I am planning to make my list as this for now:
pKreoss + 5 Warjack points
Warjack group
Repenter : 4 pts
Revenger: 6 pts
Crusader: 6 pts
Units
Choir of Menoth Min: 2 pts
Temple Flameguard Max: 6 pts
Steelhead Halberdiers max: 6 pts
Tell me what you guys think and what I should do for alternate list/ more for the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/15 04:32:09
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Brisbane, Australia
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Steelhead Halberdiers definitely aren't bad, the only thing is that they generally fill the same roll as Temple Flameguard ( TFG), but without being faction models cannot benefit from certain faction buffs (like Defenders Ward), unless you give them an Attendant Priest. Now, the best list you can use Steelheads in is actually one of Reznik's theme forces (Knocking on Heaven's Door, released in a NQ article, but you can find it through Warroom if you have it), which gives you free Attendant priests for all steelheads you take, which is pretty nice.
For this list, if it were me, I would probably try to move the list towards a pKreoss Pop-n-drop list. Pop-n-drop is about using his feat to knock down the opposing army, and then going for the assassination against the now easy to hit caster, or (if the caster is playing very far back) eliminating key models from your opponents list to help you win by attrition. Good models for this are the Redeemer, the Reckoner, the vanquisher (to a lesser degree) and a vassal of menoth (to get more shots). So, you might go something like:
pKreoss +5
- Reckoner 8
- Redeemer 6
- Repenter 4
max TFG 6
Choir 2
Vassal 2
And then you have two points to spare, either to get another solo (second vassal or Covenant of Menoth, or get a merc solo like Gorman or Rhupert the Piper) or get the TFG Officer and Standard. Alternatively, keep the Steelhead Halberdiers in there instead of the TFG, and get an Attendant priest to go with them.
That sort of list gives you a lot of assassination potential - if your opponents caster is within 22" of your caster, you can feat him to the ground, and have your jacks assassinate him. The only problem is lists with knock-down prevention which isn't an upkeep spell (as you can use Purification to get rid of upkeeps), which make it far more difficult, at which point you're looking at a longer attrition game.
Hope that helps
I might suggest once you get to 25pts to look at getting an alternate caster or two - I'd suggest Reznik, pSeverius or eFeora, as they can be easily slotted in to the same lists without too much fuss. Don't change over casters too often, they take a little bit of time to get used to new play styles, but a little bit of variety is always nice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/15 15:00:28
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Sniping Hexa
Some small city in nowhere, Illinois,United States
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Alright, I might have to go for that list with either the TFG UA so they can get some bonuses and that to their unit. The Reckoner might be a better choice than the Vanquisher at the moment since you can assault with it (also I have been reading up on the Vigilant, and for a four point light warjack that can be a potential arm 21 and him and people in base-to-base to him do not suffer blast damage, I have to say that is a good model). Still going to keep the Steelhead Halberdiers and build those up and get an attendant priest so I can have some variety to the game you know?
But yeah, that does help a lot.
For the second Warcaster I might get, the other Menoth player at my FLGS who has more experience than me at the game (granted I have been playing for more than a month now but still) said pSeverius is the next Warcaster I should go for next since he is still a good beginner Warcaster for Menoth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/15 23:14:24
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Brisbane, Australia
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Ah, the vigilant. Yes, he's the toughest thing in the game for the price, and does make a formidable speed bump, but there's one downside to him - he's the definition of pillow fisted, which means opponents can often just ignore him for the most part. Also, his blast resistance sounds handy, but it's harder to set up in practice, and makes movement a little more tricky. He does look cool though, and if you have a plan for him, go for it. Remember, he can always slam things
pSev is a great second caster, as everything is good with him. Eye of Menoth gives +1/+1 to everything, and he has the focus to take a few jacks, or be a spell slinger, and has great support spells. He'll also give your Revenger a work out, as he really loves an Arc node.
Reznik is the other one you might consider - not one of our top casters, but a lot of fun and an agressive play style, if that suits you. As I mentioned his Knocking On Heavens Door theme list, you could simply plug this list (with the steelheads instead of TFG) in, and get a free Attendant priest right off the bat.
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Looking for a club in Brisbane, Australia? Come and enjoy a game and a beer at Pubhammer, our friendly club in a pub at the Junction pub in Annerley (opposite Ace Comics), Sunday nights from 6:30. All brisbanites welcome, don't wait, check out our Club Page on Facebook group for details or to organize a game. We play all sorts of board and war games, so hit us up if you're interested.
Pubhammer is Moving! Starting from the 25th of May we'll be gaming at The Junction pub (AKA The Muddy Farmer), opposite Ace Comics & Games in Annerley! Still Sunday nights from 6:30 in the Function room Come along and play Warmachine, 40k, boardgames or anything else! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 00:25:16
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Sniping Hexa
Some small city in nowhere, Illinois,United States
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Alright, I will have to keep that in mind. Thinking I might get some more ranged to help out with my Army (thinking about getting some Exemplar Errants, Delivers, and Steelhead Riflemen with an attendant priest) to help with the Warjacks, or would that be a bad idea. Also thinking of getting some other Exemplar units as well after I get to 25 pts and get pSeverius (Thinking the Knights and bastions as well).
Gah, I have so many ideas brewing how to build my Menoth Army!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 15:25:00
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Brisbane, Australia
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Menoth really has 3 mainstay units, I find, which often form the backbone of any army - Errants, TFG or Zealots. Each has their own advantages, but basically they're large units that you can use to get up there and engage/tarpit the enemy - they are your first line that keeps the enemy in place. Errants are usually the most popular, as they're good all-rounders, with a nice tool-box of abilities, though you pay a bit extra for it, and you always want the Officer and Standard for them. A full unit of them would put you from 25 to 35 points.
Deliverers are great at wasting light infantry, or for the occasional stronger blast (Using their special CRA) against a harder target. They'll shine if you can knock down an enemy though, allowing you to rain down all those nice POW12 rockets, and that's why they tend to work very well with pKreoss. Outside of him, they're a solid unit, though because of the time it can take to work out all their scattering blasts, they're usually not taken competitively (Time is very tight in tournament settings).
Steelhead riflemen I'm not too sure about, sorry. That said, I did read about a pKreoss army winning some tournament recently using Croe's Cutthroats, if you were looking to build up a Merc force at the same time as your Protectorate. In fact, we have a few options that make good crossover points for Mercs - I'll have to tell you some time about the Dirty DIrty things that Harby can do with some of the Pirate stuff
One other option to think about is Daughters of the Flame. They are one of my favorite units, fast, high DEF and very annoying for your opponent to deal with (especially if you have Defenders Ward on them). I especially love them on pKreoss's feat turn, as they can auto-hit in melee, and they have a special rule that will auto-damage living models - that means each daughter will auto-kill up to two infantry each on feat turn, and acrobatics and high speed means you can get them where ever you want them to be. I really love these girls, and if you get the Merc solo Rupert Carvolo, they can be pushed up to DEF18 (with Defenders Ward) and cause Terror to boot.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/05/16 15:34:00
Looking for a club in Brisbane, Australia? Come and enjoy a game and a beer at Pubhammer, our friendly club in a pub at the Junction pub in Annerley (opposite Ace Comics), Sunday nights from 6:30. All brisbanites welcome, don't wait, check out our Club Page on Facebook group for details or to organize a game. We play all sorts of board and war games, so hit us up if you're interested.
Pubhammer is Moving! Starting from the 25th of May we'll be gaming at The Junction pub (AKA The Muddy Farmer), opposite Ace Comics & Games in Annerley! Still Sunday nights from 6:30 in the Function room Come along and play Warmachine, 40k, boardgames or anything else! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 17:43:54
Subject: 25 points pKreoss Menoth
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Sniping Hexa
Some small city in nowhere, Illinois,United States
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I heard Daughters are good as well, so I will have to check them out as well. Also, mostly I am planning to use mercs to kind of fill some roles Menoth cannot at times.
And since I can assume that it takes some time for Deliverers to take shots and that, I will have to try them out in a casual and League setting since I can have the time to use them and that (although If I want to play competitively in a tournament setting, pKreoss is the way to go with them it seems).
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