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Made in gb
Disbeliever of the Greater Good




Myself and a friend are planning to go to a battle bothers tournament in a little over a month and neither of us are quite sure what we are doing with 6th edition list building.
The lists must be less than 1500 points and follow the rules for allied attachments as specified in the BRB. We have not chosen who will be the primary attachment and thus be warlord.

SpaceWolves
HQ
Wolf Priest with runic armour
120

Elites
Wolf guard *9 combi melta*9
Drop pod
242

Troops
Grey knights *10, Plasma gun *2
Drop Pod
195

Troops
Grey knights *10, Plasma gun *2
Drop Pod
195

Total 752

Dark Angels
HQ
Librarian, Level 2 mastery Bike
120

Elites
Deathwing knights *5
235

Troops
Tactical squad 5 marines + Missile Launcher with Flack upgrade
95

Tactical squad 5 marines + Missile Launcher
85

Fast attack
Black Knights *5 with Ravenwing grenade Launcher

745

Total 1497

I hope this is an OK format for the post. I am the dark angel player and an willing to make any changes to improve the list, the space wolf player is more stubborn but i think i can change his mind (I have just noticed how many points he is sinking into that melta squad).
All input welcome
Thank you in advance for your help
   
Made in us
Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader




Pacific NW

Well, expect at least one Flyer. A single Flakk Missile isn't going to do much against that.

Those are Grey Hunters by the way. Grey Knights are something else entirely! Also, your SW friend is possibly crazy for dumping that many points in to Wolf Guard at this point level, but especially crazy for their load out. I say this as a Space Wolf player, who does almost nothing but Drop Pod these days even.

Honestly, I'm not sure why he's bringing the Wolf Priest either. The Wolf Guard are basically just going to be the same as his Grey Hunters, but non-scoring, more expensive, and have 9 one-shot Meltaguns duct taped to their Boltguns. They can't shoot on the charge unless they use that Meltagun shot. They aren't particuarlly scary in close combat, so don't need the re-rolls from the Wolf Priest. They don't have bad leadership, so they don't really need Fearless. And he's not taking Saga of the Hunter for the Stealth and option to Outflank? It i worth it even just for the Stealth.

Against other Space Marines he probably isn't going to fare well. He doesn't have anything to really deal with them in the Assault Phase, and he only has the one Character.

He should really consider taking out some Wolf Guard to beef up his Grey Hunters, and possibly replacing that Wolf Priest with a Rune Priest. Something like this maybe:

HQ
120 points - Rune Priest (Runic Armor; Living Lightning, Murderous Hurricane)

ELITE
205 points - Wolf Guard (5; 2 Combi-Plasma & Wolf Claw, 2 Combi-Melta, 1 TDA & Assault Cannon & Power Axe, 1 Drop Pod)

Troops
205 points - Grey Hunters (9; 1 Plasma Guns, 1 Wolf Standard, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, 1 Drop Pod)
205 points - Grey Hunters (9; 1 Plasma Guns, 1 Wolf Standard, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, 1 Drop Pod)

It is a little more flexible in that we can give the Grey Hunters a Melta shot or the Rune Priest if we need to, or leave the Wolf Guard all together. It just depends on what we need to do. The Grey Hunters, particularly with the Combi-Plasma/Wolf Claw Wolf guard, are more capable in close combat. This will become important since we're dropping in the enemy's lap.

Honestly though, Wolf Guard are expensive at this point level. I'd rather take more Grey Hunters if it were me. Replacing the Wolf Guard with another 10 man Grey Hunter pack on foot for a Wolf Priest with Saga of the Hunter to lead, while giving all 3 Grey Hunter units Wolf Standards and Mark of the Wulfen, is much more appealing to me. You start out with only one Grey Hunter pack on the table but with the 2nd and 3rd coming in on Drop Pod and Outflank it can be fun.


Any reason for the Deathwing Knights over regular Deathwing by the way? I'm not 100% familiar with the Dark Angel Codex yet. I get why you'd take the Ravenwing Knights, but wasn't sure what point over normal Deathwing the Knights were really offering you.

   
Made in gb
Disbeliever of the Greater Good




Thank you for that post, that was very helpful and has given me a lot to talk about with my partner.
Dark Angels
I agree that I must find a way to afford a second Flack missile upgrade, we need more anti-flyer options than snap-fire plasma.

Deathwing Knights are an uncertainty with me, I love that they can be a T5 unit with a 2+ 3++ for less for 15 points more than a vanilla terminator squad. Also the ability to become S10 Ap2 for 1 turn means they can almost guarantee something gets wiped off the table.
They cannot however do anything on the turn they arrive (or at range later in game) unlike Standard deathwing, but can terminators put out a useful amount of fire especially as we have so many bolt guns already?

Maybe I need to look to something other than TDA, but i think it there is synergy with Ravenwing and deep striking wolves

Space wolves
He has always had to battle a need to put a lot of eggs in one basket and that is a lot of points for 9 guys in power armour, also 9 meltas is probably over doing it for 1 squad.
I would rather see the extra scoring unit too. If he wont go grey hunter he will hopefully like that wolf guard squad or a similar variation of.

May I ask why you would take murderous hurricane rather than something like the infamous JOTWW

P.S I am sorry to all grey hunters out there, I think I have knights on the brain
I will come back with a revised list as soon as i can
   
 
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