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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:03:39
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Castro Valley, CA
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So as the poll says, which Chaos God would be the most worshiped by the Iron Warriors? This may or may not be related to a side project of mine...*innocent whistling*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:06:01
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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The twisted machine spirit that mutates the obliterators and mutilators, turns the blessed into machines and giant war constructions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:07:10
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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None, they worship the pantheon much like the Word Bearers, just not as devout as they abhor mutation, except that they have plenty of Obliterators.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:11:49
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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I wouldn't say any Chaos God in particular, they are more like the Night Lords I would say, using Chaos to achieve their own ends. Of course you will get certain individuals or warbands that might favour a certain God, but as a whole they have their own agenda.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:17:17
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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There is a piece in the CSM codex where perturabo spreads nurgles blessings through a planet
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:20:15
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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All star - team, I say....
Btw, I think IW are more chaos than any dedicated chaos legion...
Pereturabo scares the gak out of me....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:24:43
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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You forgot the pantheon in your poll, which I think is the most likely. They worship whichever god that fulfills their agenda for that moment, just not too closely because they don't want the mutations. You know wanting the good stuff without the bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:24:44
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm assuming the OP knows they are undivided, and is instead asking which Chaos God they'd most suit otherwise, or be most likely to fall to...?
For which, personally, I'd say Khorne or Tzeentch. The Iron Warriors seem to be particularly hateful blighters, which suits Khorne; but then they also seem to be pretty ambitious, with their treachery originating from wanting something better for themselves, and continuing to this day with the ambition of overthrowing the Imperium (moreso than some other traitors it seems).
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"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:48:58
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Isstvan III
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I doubt Slaanesh ever comes up as a favorite to them.
Unless they're into that kind of stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:50:42
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Many things could be argued there. They serve Nurgle in toppling fortresses and bringing decay. Their endless wars pleases Khorne mightily. Their ways of screwing people over brings Tzeenctch joy, and the suffering they invoke thrills Slaanesh. And if you go for the fifth and copy-right protected god you have destruction that is Malal, but I just ain't sure he is canon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:53:46
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Servants of the Soul Forge directly. Much like soul grinders and other mechanical daemons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 10:54:01
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Castro Valley, CA
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Just Dave wrote:I'm assuming the OP knows they are undivided, and is instead asking which Chaos God they'd most suit otherwise, or be most likely to fall to...?
Yeah, I should have wrote that better, lol.
I'm planning on making a small IW ally army and wanted to make it a fluffy army rather then being a winning army. I was just curious which Mark of [Insert Chaos God] would fit the IWs overall and that got me thinking about which Chaos God the IWs would mostly rely on when they require Chaotic intervention.
LOL, that just made a horrible, yet funny mental image for me.
"Ah man, the way you twist that screw in is sooo beautiful to my eyes."
"Look at that blow torch, I love the sound it makes when it's lit up!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 11:13:08
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Dakka Veteran
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I don't think they'd lean as a whole towards any one of the powers, but individuals might favour one or the other. In Storm of Iron, Krueger and his assault squads are pretty far down the path of Khorne, but the rest of the captains think he's a nutter. There are fairly strong indications that the daemonic obliterator virus involves nurgle's influence, and may have been cooked up by Perturabo. I'd say they are most likely pantheists, drawing power from all the gods, but not fully committing themselves to any of them. This justifies having different marks on different units - say khorne marked raptors or assault squads who specialise in storming breaches etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 11:20:27
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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gnoise wrote: Just Dave wrote:I'm assuming the OP knows they are undivided, and is instead asking which Chaos God they'd most suit otherwise, or be most likely to fall to...?
Yeah, I should have wrote that better, lol.
I'm planning on making a small IW ally army and wanted to make it a fluffy army rather then being a winning army. I was just curious which Mark of [Insert Chaos God] would fit the IWs overall and that got me thinking about which Chaos God the IWs would mostly rely on when they require Chaotic intervention.
LOL, that just made a horrible, yet funny mental image for me.
"Ah man, the way you twist that screw in is sooo beautiful to my eyes."
"Look at that blow torch, I love the sound it makes when it's lit up!"
Oh dear, this just came to mind... let me help you with those images and sentences:
"Ah man, I love watching you screw.... those bolts into that Rhino door, it's like an art form."
"Hey, would ya mind blowin' me... torch out, I think Im done with it for now."
Jokes aside, I think the IW would most likely worship Khorne or the way of slaughtering... they are masters of destruction when it comes to siege warfare, so total and utter destruction of all life would be sort of right up their alley with moats of blood and battlements of skulls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 11:38:10
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Disguised Speculo
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gnoise wrote:So as the poll says, which Chaos God would be the most worshiped by the Iron Warriors? This may or may not be related to a side project of mine...*innocent whistling*
Ha, I'm doing essentially the same thing, because I have heaps of legless marines that I can build bionic legs for to make them usable models...
In my case, I'm still deciding between Nurgle and Slaneesh. The former because of backstory involving the Great Crusade and having to get mass bionics in response to Nurgles dirty shenanigans, and the latter because 'blah blah unfeeling metal I yearn for sensations' type stuff driving them mad.
Both MoS+Icon of Excess and MoN, or even MoT can stand in for being bionically enhanced or whatever if your running this from the CSM codex. Depends on if you like *super* toughguys, lots of AP3 guns, or running "enhanced" Chaos Space Marines with Fabius Bile...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 19:49:29
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Mutating Changebringer
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The Iron Warriors don't "worship" chaos.
They daemons as tools and the warp as a source of fuel. They need not the blessings of dark gods.
Iron within, iron without.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 20:04:21
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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If there was a god for "revenge" they would be all over that.
"Iron within, Iron without" is appropriate, they are the hard workers of chaos.
Need an "Impregnable" fortress breached?
They like a challenge.
They value intelligence, raw smarts to puzzle out an answer.
But there is pride in that and not being acknowledged for coming up with the answer will be remembered and you may find yourself on the wrong side of a wall with them.
They are practical, hang out and let the big guns go to work. There is a right time for anything, it is in knowing when it IS time is key.
I think chaos individed is a bit of a stretch, more like the swiss-army knife / right god for the right job approach.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 20:06:27
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Stalwart Space Marine
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I've read of individual Iron warriors such as Kroeger and Grendel who are favourable to Khorne, Kroger led a group of Khorne Berserkers too is I guess some of them dabble in Khorne worship every now and then.
What you have to remember about the Iron Warriors though is that they are calculating and cold, this factors into how they perceive the powers that favour them, the gods are tools for them to advance their own power, they put their real faith in hard technology and raw iron.
Hence their motto: "Iron within, Iron Without."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 20:07:40
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Well, like people have said, they don't really worship Chaos. But with the mutation prone geneseed I can see Tzeentch whispering in a few ears.
On the other hand, I have always fancied doing a Nurgle themed IW armour with the entire warband in different stages of falling to the Obliterator Virus. That just screams Nurgle to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/16 23:27:31
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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The Iron Warriors are smart enough to worship the Pantheon, so they don't become tools of any power. Worship any of the four gods and you dance to their tune, remain Chaos Undivided and you keep your independence.
Perturabo would quickly and if necessary personally stomp on anyone in his legion who tried to turn the Iron Warriors into any particular gods domain, keep balance and that cant happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 00:59:53
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Just Dave wrote:I'm assuming the OP knows they are undivided, and is instead asking which Chaos God they'd most suit otherwise, or be most likely to fall to...?
For which, personally, I'd say Khorne or Tzeentch. The Iron Warriors seem to be particularly hateful blighters, which suits Khorne; but then they also seem to be pretty ambitious, with their treachery originating from wanting something better for themselves, and continuing to this day with the ambition of overthrowing the Imperium (moreso than some other traitors it seems).
I second that !
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2000 pts Renegade Imperial Guard
1750 pts Chaos Undivided
1000pts Imperial Guard
750 pts Space Wolves
1000 pts Tau Empire
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 01:47:02
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Iron within, Iron without. The Iron Warriors always have seemed to treasure independence thus the worship of any one god is probably ludicrous as it'd make them eventually reliant on ensuring they please that god.
And a side note. It makes sense that Iron Warriors would get along swimmingly with Khorne Berserkers, especially those of the World Eaters. Their respective Primarchs did seem to get along quite well.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 02:09:37
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/17 19:39:46
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Zuvassin the Undoer or Necoho the Unbeliever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/18 20:37:05
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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As already noted by Ardaric_Vaanes Graham McNeill has several Khornate Iron Warriors. I would need to check the dates to be certain but I imagine he took his cue from the Iron Warriors army list in Index Astartes which only allowed Khornate unit choices.
I don't see the Iron Warriors as caring much about the Chaos Gods; they may use Chaos to gain power and advantage but as Perturabo himself admits, he believes in nothing.
Like Macbeth, Perturabo becomes so steeped in blood he cannot turn back but then his philosophy is to only ever move forwards. Ignored, used and sidelined Horus gives him a path by acknowledging Perturabo's strengths and, not really giving a damn anyway, Perturabo follows that path and his Legion follows.
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BEHAVE!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/18 22:04:35
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Most of them are undivided, because it takes seriously unbalanced personalities to only worship one God. To be a Khorne Berzerker, you'd have to hate pleasure and lust (Slaanesh). To be a Plague Marine, you'd have to have no hope (Tzeentch).
But in Storm of Iron, its shown that some Iron Warriors worship individual Gods, which make sense. So, from most to least popular, here are the Gods...
1) Khorne, because the Iron Warriors are bitter. They hate the state of the universe around them, they hate the Imperium, and they especially hate the God Emperor.
2) Nurgle, because siege warfare is a grueling affair. Trench formations become choked with corpses and start to fill with a stew of mud, gore, and rats. Diseases wrack armies, reducing entire companies to ruin. The symphony of rattling turrets, whooshing napalm, and thundering artillery is deafening. Men lose all hope. In a way, this hopelessness is liberating. If you could drop dead at any moment, nothing you do has consequences. #YOLO. And that's what Nurgle is the god of .
3) Slaanesh, because if you're a 10,000 year old supersoldier renegade, why not do cocaine?
4) Tzeentch is the least popular because the Iron Warriors don't have much cause for hope. 10,000 years of bitter siege warfare does that to you.
You could also have them worshiping minor Gods. The Iron Warriors can seem like a faceless mass of soldiers, all wearing similar armor in identical formations. They could worship the God of Conformism; after all, the need to conform is a basic human emotion. The reason we evolved it was because the cavemen who didn't conform were thrown out of their caves and eaten by leopard manatees.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 03:47:15
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Most likely Chaos Undivided
Otherwise, Khorne mostly suits them imo
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 03:55:18
Subject: Re:Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
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Undivided is for posers! You're either in totally, or not in at all!
For some reason, I'm thinking Tzeentch for being the most calculating of the gods here. He's probably got more strategy involved than the others.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 04:05:52
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Fresh-Faced New User
The Warp
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Chaos Undivided being the copout version being, "screw one god I'll serve all of them"
Which they conveniently ignore that "Chaos Unvided" is a paradox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/19 09:51:08
Subject: Which Chaos God would the Iron Warriors Most Likely Worship the Most?
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Disguised Speculo
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So, some wiki page says that
"they make common use of slave-soldiers as cannon fodder to wither the ammunition supplies of the besieged and to locate the positions of enemy gun emplacements."
Please tell me theres some forgeworld codex or something out there that can represent this? I don't think Cultists could quite do it justice, but I suppose maybe allied IG conscripts might.
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