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Hey mates. With me happily playing Bretonnia at the moment, a friend of mind has finally decided to jump on the Fantasy Band-Wagon and wants to run a heavy Warriors of Chaos list, supported by Chaos Knights, War-Shrines, War Hounds and Chariots. Now since he has yet to make a profile for himself on this site, I am asking for him, with his question being a very simple one: How does one run there Chaos Warriors in 8th edition? Currently, the common point level for my store and group of friends is 2400 to 3000 points for the most part, and the questions he has are very simple:

*Best unit size for Chaos Warriors?
*Which Mark and Weapon Combos work best?
*Which Mark is the most effective?
*Are Shields worth it on Chaos Warriors?

Now at the moment, he loves the fluff of running a Khorne heavy list, however from what he has told me he would want to use the Mark of Nurgle, as the - to hit in CC is just too good to pass up in his opinion, but besides that he is also looking for examples of various lists that make up all of the fractions using there "unique skill". In other words, he is looking for an example of a Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, and a Tzentch list, as well as a Chaos Undivided.

It seems to be geberally accepted that the best ways to run them are 18 strong in a 6x3 formation with sword and broad with MoN for anvils and additional hand weapon or halberd with MoK for hammer.

It depends on the theme. I typically run a warband dedicated to the same mark. So I don't mix and match like the internet says to do.

If I want a unit that is for durability I give them the sword and shield.

If I'm running a khorne horde I like extra hand weapons, particularly if I'm facing something like elves or humans.

If I need strength I run halberds.

I'm not a fan of great weapons on warriors as it neutralizes our high init.

 jonolikespie wrote:
It seems to be geberally accepted that the best ways to run them are 18 strong in a 6x3 formation with sword and broad with MoN for anvils and additional hand weapon or halberd with MoK for hammer.

Maybe you mean MoT for sword and board. MoN would be better on a Halberd dude IMO.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
It seems to be geberally accepted that the best ways to run them are 18 strong in a 6x3 formation with sword and broad with MoN for anvils and additional hand weapon or halberd with MoK for hammer.

Maybe you mean MoT for sword and board. MoN would be better on a Halberd dude IMO.

Agreed, with this you would have x2 S5 attacks with high initiative and a decent armor saves, your only real weakness would be lots of shooting attacks which can be taken care of with screens of marauders or hounds. Also a chariot or two on either side would be nasty as well.

groups of 17 when taking a hero or lord with them 6x3

same without just 18, Halberds / shields with MoN

Or Shields + Mot

I agree with what most people have said. The MoN with Halberd and Sword and Shield with MoT, in 8x3. Personally I usually use the MoT units, as I like having that extra armour save over enemies, and the Warriors are already formidable in combat, and a better save means that can continue to be longer.

Thanks for the replies so far mates. Showed him your suggestions and he does like the idea of running the MON with Halberds, but he wanted to know if it would be worth taking the MOK with Halberds, as that would give the front rank 3x attacks, making them very nasty in CC. Another thing he is curious about is the possibility of running a horde of Chaos Warriors. Now granted it would be expensive, however he is tempted to try it so has anyone had success running a Horde of Chaos Warriors, and if so how did you run them? Besides that, he is just looking for some examples of Chaos Warrior Heavy lists to base his army on so the help would be much appreciated.

If i was running a horde, i'd go with halberd and MoK. With alot of warriors, i wouldn't be worried about taking losses, so you can sacrifice some defences for more assaulty things. Having said that, though, they are slow. So you would need some support.

Zambro wrote:
If i was running a horde, i'd go with halberd and MoK. With alot of warriors, i wouldn't be worried about taking losses, so you can sacrifice some defences for more assaulty things. Having said that, though, they are slow. So you would need some support.

Sonds pretty nasty, however from talking to my mate he is still liking the idea of the MOK with a horde of Chaos Warriors and Halberds. Now granted frenzy is a double-edged sword, however the ability to have 3x S5 attacks for the front rank alone just seems nasty. Besides that, he still is debating the use of other warrior units, as Marauders just seem kinda worthless now from what I have seen in most WOC lists. Anyone have any examples of a 2500 to a 3000 point list that is Warrior Heavy so that he could use as a blueprint in a way to help him get started? Also, are Skull-Crushers of Khorne a goo unit choice or would he be better off with running Chaos Knights.

Knights are good if you want another mark than khorne, i'm having a blast taking them with nurgle or tzeentch. my last game was against dwarves and in my list (didnt know i was facing them)

I had a unit of 9 knights with enscrolled weapons and blasted banner(tzeentch banner) I never tossed a one for all the times he aimed at them and he failed to wound them even with cannons 1+ save with a 6+ ward save is good fun,

In a tournament not long ago i used kinda the same but with Mark of nurgle instead and had a nurgle sorc on a chaos steed with them, had some fun making them T7 with Curse of the lepper and 5+ ward(well not from flaming)

But back to the point, Point efficent skullchrusers are better they got allot of wounds and they deal a big amount of damage when they charge or even get charged.

this is a players choise, but this depends on what lords/heroes you take for your army list.

 Rommel44 wrote:

Zambro wrote:
If i was running a horde, i'd go with halberd and MoK. With alot of warriors, i wouldn't be worried about taking losses, so you can sacrifice some defences for more assaulty things. Having said that, though, they are slow. So you would need some support.

Sonds pretty nasty, however from talking to my mate he is still liking the idea of the MOK with a horde of Chaos Warriors and Halberds. Now granted frenzy is a double-edged sword, however the ability to have 3x S5 attacks for the front rank alone just seems nasty. Besides that, he still is debating the use of other warrior units, as Marauders just seem kinda worthless now from what I have seen in most WOC lists. Anyone have any examples of a 2500 to a 3000 point list that is Warrior Heavy so that he could use as a blueprint in a way to help him get started? Also, are Skull-Crushers of Khorne a goo unit choice or would he be better off with running Chaos Knights.

Skullcrushers are an excelent unit. They are absolute beasts! I'm not sure on the comparison with knights. IMO, they both have different roles, so they are hard to compare. I dont think MoK is worth it on the knights - other marks / loadouts work better.

As for an example list, are you looking at just a mono Khorne list. Or are you not bothered about the god dedication, you just want warriors?
Here is a rough 3k point list - mono Khorne:

Chaos Lord w/ Juggernaught, Giants Blade, Collar of Khorne, Mark of Khorne, Shield - 385

Exalted Hero w/ Sword of Anti-Heroes, Mark of Khorne, shield, Battle Standard Bearer, Razor Standard - 223

(18) Warriors w/ Full Command, Mark of Khorne, Halberds - 372
(18) Warriors w/ Full Command, Mark of Khorne, Halberds - 372
(17) Warriors w/ Full Command, Mark of Khorne, Halberds - 353
(5) Chaos Warhounds w/ vanguard - 40
(5) Chaos Warhounds w/ vanguard - 40
(5) Marauder Horsemen w/ Flails, Mark of Khorne - 90

Gorebeast Chariot w/ Mark of Khorne - 140
Gorebeast Chariot w/ Mark of Khorne - 140
Gorebeast Chariot w/ Mark of Khorne - 140
Warshrine - 125

(7) Skullcrushers w/ Full Command, Ensorcelled Weapons - 576

total 2996

Just have to say: This isn't tried and tested, i just made it.
I focused this around brute strength with a high concentration of warriors. With halberds, rock them in a 6 by 3 formation and you'll get the most out of their attacks. Place the BSB in the unit with 17 and keep him in the middle of the 3 units. Warriors have a relatively low LD, so a re-roll might be needed. IMO, a warshrine is a good idea. rolls on the EOTGs table is great, especially cause you are rocking so many warrior units. Skullcrushers with a lord on jugger is no unit to sneeze at. They will wreck face and stomp everything into the ground. With 8 in the unit, you can do 4 by 2 and pound through everything. The lord is equip for maximum carnage (+3 strength from his weapon on a model who already has S5 is going to hurt). Gorebeast chariots fit with the theme of brute force. 3 of them is definately overkill. The rest (hounds and horsemen) are just meatshields.

Like i said, this isn't tried or tested, but it'd be a good start for a khorne army

@zambro Just one thing, your bsb can't take a magical banner and magic weapon. else it looks like a fun khorne themed army.

phatonic wrote:
@zambro Just one thing, your bsb can't take a magical banner and magic weapon. else it looks like a fun khorne themed army.

Ahh, right. I didn't know

Zambro wrote:

 Rommel44 wrote:

Zambro wrote:
If i was running a horde, i'd go with halberd and MoK. With alot of warriors, i wouldn't be worried about taking losses, so you can sacrifice some defences for more assaulty things. Having said that, though, they are slow. So you would need some support.

Sonds pretty nasty, however from talking to my mate he is still liking the idea of the MOK with a horde of Chaos Warriors and Halberds. Now granted frenzy is a double-edged sword, however the ability to have 3x S5 attacks for the front rank alone just seems nasty. Besides that, he still is debating the use of other warrior units, as Marauders just seem kinda worthless now from what I have seen in most WOC lists. Anyone have any examples of a 2500 to a 3000 point list that is Warrior Heavy so that he could use as a blueprint in a way to help him get started? Also, are Skull-Crushers of Khorne a goo unit choice or would he be better off with running Chaos Knights.

Skullcrushers are an excelent unit. They are absolute beasts! I'm not sure on the comparison with knights. IMO, they both have different roles, so they are hard to compare. I dont think MoK is worth it on the knights - other marks / loadouts work better.

As for an example list, are you looking at just a mono Khorne list. Or are you not bothered about the god dedication, you just want warriors?
Here is a rough 3k point list - mono Khorne:

Chaos Lord w/ Juggernaught, Giants Blade, Collar of Khorne, Mark of Khorne, Shield - 385

Exalted Hero w/ Sword of Anti-Heroes, Mark of Khorne, shield, Battle Standard Bearer, Razor Standard - 223

(18) Warriors w/ Full Command, Mark of Khorne, Halberds - 372
(18) Warriors w/ Full Command, Mark of Khorne, Halberds - 372
(17) Warriors w/ Full Command, Mark of Khorne, Halberds - 353
(5) Chaos Warhounds w/ vanguard - 40
(5) Chaos Warhounds w/ vanguard - 40
(5) Marauder Horsemen w/ Flails, Mark of Khorne - 90

Gorebeast Chariot w/ Mark of Khorne - 140
Gorebeast Chariot w/ Mark of Khorne - 140
Gorebeast Chariot w/ Mark of Khorne - 140
Warshrine - 125

(7) Skullcrushers w/ Full Command, Ensorcelled Weapons - 576

total 2996

Just have to say: This isn't tried and tested, i just made it.
I focused this around brute strength with a high concentration of warriors. With halberds, rock them in a 6 by 3 formation and you'll get the most out of their attacks. Place the BSB in the unit with 17 and keep him in the middle of the 3 units. Warriors have a relatively low LD, so a re-roll might be needed. IMO, a warshrine is a good idea. rolls on the EOTGs table is great, especially cause you are rocking so many warrior units. Skullcrushers with a lord on jugger is no unit to sneeze at. They will wreck face and stomp everything into the ground. With 8 in the unit, you can do 4 by 2 and pound through everything. The lord is equip for maximum carnage (+3 strength from his weapon on a model who already has S5 is going to hurt). Gorebeast chariots fit with the theme of brute force. 3 of them is definately overkill. The rest (hounds and horsemen) are just meatshields.

Like i said, this isn't tried or tested, but it'd be a good start for a khorne army

Does look like a fun Khorne-Themed list, however he really wasn't interested in going full Khorne, just wanted to know if a horde of Warriors with the MOK would be better then a horde with the MON. But, I can already tell he really loves the fluff of the Skulcrushers and I have seen how nasty these guys can be once they reach CC. Besides that, anyone else have a good Chaos List that is effective in this edition? Keep hearing about a Chariot List but havent found anything on it.

A chariot list basically takes chariots as core and special. The regular chariot is core and the gorebeast chariot is special. I'm not sure how effective it would be.

Zambro wrote:
A chariot list basically takes chariots as core and special. The regular chariot is core and the gorebeast chariot is special. I'm not sure how effective it would be.

Sounds like an interesting idea thats for sure. Is it an effective list or is it more of a fluff-based list?

Depends on the army. Hit undead or skaven and they will laugh at you, hit MSU/MMU high elves and you'll tear right through them.

The most defensive should be MoT warriors

Most attacks are MoK warriors

Most accurate are the MoN, but i guess they use that banner that poison things that isnt nurgle with em.

MoS is just immune to psycho, but the Khorne already is that as long as they dont lose in combat.... so this mark is more or less useless compaired to the 3 others.

Dracoknight wrote:
MoS is just immune to psycho, but the Khorne already is that as long as they dont lose in combat.... so this mark is more or less useless compaired to the 3 others.

Are MoS Immune to Psychology? I just thought they auto-pass Fear/Terror/Panic checks.

The big difference being that ItP means you can't Flee if you want to, while auto-pass does not have that restriction.

I love a big block of sword and board MoT with blasted standard, pop in a character with obsidian amulet and ironcurse totem and that unit isn't going anywhere - brilliant anvil. With no points restriction, I run it at 30 models for 565 points.
Add a Nurgle /Halberd / Shield unit with banner of swiftness. If no rule abiut SC, put festus in their and they get poisoned attacks and 5+ regen.
Nurgle knights with ensorcelled weapons, a hellcannon and some characters. Lovely.

I always take shields these days, as so many seem to die before cc if I don't.

Hellfire sword, Helm of many eyes on a 1+ nurgle lord on a steed is very good.

 streamdragon wrote:

Dracoknight wrote:
MoS is just immune to psycho, but the Khorne already is that as long as they dont lose in combat.... so this mark is more or less useless compaired to the 3 others.

Are MoS Immune to Psychology? I just thought they auto-pass Fear/Terror/Panic checks.

The big difference being that ItP means you can't Flee if you want to, while auto-pass does not have that restriction.

Yes you are right, its only auto pass to fear,terror and panic... i almost pass em off for immunity, but basically its a better version of immunity i would say.

So sorry about the misinformation.