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A lot of people in my part of the country feel he is some sort of messiah. These are the sort of people willing to stand up and claim "they took our jobs"

Personal my understanding of how leaving Europe will effect the UK and indeed the rest of Europe is not developed enough for me to form any opinion other than "better the devil you know"

UKIP are basically a one policy party though and anyone that wishes to be represented by a one policy party is a fool. That said I welcome the departure from the three party two party system, I just wish our local and indeed national media would give more time to some smaller parties and independent representatives that don't rely on sensationalist sound bites

Wow just wow, I don't even know where to start with all of this. It went all over the place.

 Frazzled wrote:

1. Who or what is he?

The leader of UK independence party and one of our representatives in the european parliament. Currently no UKIP members represent any UK constituencies in parliament. They did win some local council seats in recent local elections but don't control any councils.

Or

The Messiah he even walked away from a plane crash.

 Frazzled wrote:

2. If you're going to hide out, hiding out in a bar is not bad.

One could argue that there is no better place to hide out.

 Frazzled wrote:

3. Real menz don't hide, unless its from da wimminz.

Lol the pub is probably the best place for that as well.

Now on to some comments I want to that's wrong, I wish I didn't have to but feel I need to, respond to. I won't dig out the quotes because the thread just got to messy to bother finding them so I'm just going to paraphrase.

Its not immigrants its immigration that's causing problems in this country, believing that doesn't make me racist"

Sorry what? Don't get me wrong I understand why some people may not want immigration at the level it is, I don't agree with their believes but I do understand why they hold them. But stating that you don't believe that immigrants are causing a problem its the government letting them in that is causing the problem is so utterly idiotic I am lost for words. If the immigrants aren't a problem then surely immigration shouldn't be a problem. If immigration is a problem it must be because of the immigrants and yes you are being xenophobic.

I would respect these people more if they just admitted their believes but then doublethink is a powerful thing.

Now if its over population you have a problem with then that's a real concern, a global concern and all preventing immigration does is sweep it under the carpet and postpone the inevitable.

Most crimes are committed by black people therefore black people are obviously predisposed to commit crimes

So a disclaimer, I don't know the statistics for crime rates for different ethnic groups, its irrelevant, I don't care. This isn't stupidity, it is racism pure and simple. I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why.