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So, what if I were to arrange an Aegis Defense line in such a way that large models couldn't fit over it? Would they be able to assault through it or get across? Obviously if they could get past the line in one turn it'd be fine, but is it possible to prevent big nasties from assaulting by denying their ability to B2B?
I'd post photos, but I'm unsure how, so here's this instead:
(_) - big monster
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ - Aegis Line (semi exaggerated)
O O O O - Orks

If the Orks were in base contact with the ADL they can be assaulted.

If they were not in Base Contact with the wall, then use WMS to get as close as possible.

Yep, WMS solves all problems like this - You balance the big gribbly on the defence line, say he's now in base to base and then move him temporarily to somewhere where he isn't going to fall over.

Cool. This seemed a little odd, so I figured there had to be an explanation.
Now, would it count as difficult terrain to assault over the wall?

Nope. Check out the line's rules on pages 114, then 104 - its terrain rules don't mention Difficult Terrain anywhere.
Also, it'd be pretty damn tricky to get this to work. As per page 104, the opposing model only has to be in base contact of the wall and 2" of you - wobbly model syndrome included - AND Monstrous Creatures in particular get Move Through Cover.

I can see what you're trying to do, but in practice it just isn't going to be effective. It also smacks of trying to be TFG (to me, at least).

 Super Ready wrote:
Nope. Check out the line's rules on pages 114, then 104 - its terrain rules don't mention Difficult Terrain anywhere.

That is not true at all.

"Unless otherwise noted, battlefield debris is difficult terrain," P. 104

The ADL is Battlefield Debris.

Its also included in the "charging through cover" in the assault rules, however you cant "block" anyone from charging you by putting your models in a way that they are not in base contact with the ADL and they can put a model between, in a sense you are in base contact with the ADL for all purposes of assault in this situation and gain no benefit, except for half an inch longer distance they have to charge.

Sounds like a TFG type of tactic to be quite honest, and you wouldnt make many friends trying.

First off, I don't understand how you would be in BTB 'in a sense' if there's enough space between you and the Aegis line to fit a model between...
Second, I was more checking because of a guy I know who consistently places his models so that they can't be assaulted. (Or he tries to, it rarely works.) I wanted to know the official ruling so there'd be no confusion on this or similar stuff.

Oops...so it IS on page 104. My bad!

Simpler put pick up the line where the fights going on then put it back when it's clear. Easy sauce .

Waaaghpower wrote:
First off, I don't understand how you would be in BTB 'in a sense' if there's enough space between you and the Aegis line to fit a model between...
Second, I was more checking because of a guy I know who consistently places his models so that they can't be assaulted. (Or he tries to, it rarely works.) I wanted to know the official ruling so there'd be no confusion on this or similar stuff.

Because the rule says so in this case. See page 104. If you can cross the line then use the Wobbly model rule. If units that are both touching the ADL and withing 2" of it are considered B2b, page 104 kicking in.

Ofc its legal and you can avoid being charged witl MC if it cant be placed normally.

So you got dreadknight on one side and orcks more then 2 inches away from ADL (2.2 inces) then he cant assaut couse he can stand on ADL.

Apart from WMS, which states you can.

RatGod wrote:
Ofc its legal and you can avoid being charged witl MC if it cant be placed normally.

So you got dreadknight on one side and orcks more then 2 inches away from ADL (2.2 inces) then he cant assaut couse he can stand on ADL.

Nothing in the rules prevents a model from standing on terrain. The ADL is terrain.

I'm pretty sure that most MCs or Walkers would punt that section of the ADL into the enemy, an improvised missile. At a minimum they would crush it like a beer can, or huff and puff and blow the ADL down.

 Crabpuff wrote:
I'm pretty sure that most MCs or Walkers would punt that section of the ADL into the enemy, an improvised missile. At a minimum they would crush it like a beer can, or huff and puff and blow the ADL down.

More importantly, however, nothing in the rules gives you permission to move those ADL sections. I get that you were likely joking, but some might not. Beware, Poe's Law strikes without warning

The 6th ed fortifications rules are sadly incomplete, or at least less complete that many would like

Happily, this is not an issue here. We have all the rules we need to resolve this situation. As stated above - WMS and Battlefield Debris cover the basic question.

Nothing in the rules prevents a model from standing on terrain. The ADL is terrain.

Yeah, you should check out the WMS rules. You might be surprised...

Edit: Also, I've balanced a Carnifex on an ADL. So you're statement is incorrect.

Wobbly model rules in the BRB says you can. Also I have balanced many many MC on top of an adl.

cryhavok wrote:
Wobbly model rules in the BRB says you can. Also I have balanced many many MC on top of an adl.

Not that you need to balance the model to invoke the WMS rule.

"Sometimes you may find that a particular piece of terrain makes it hard to put a model exactly where you want. If you delicately balance it in place, it is very likely to fall I as soon as somebody nudges the table, leaving your beautifully painted miniature damaged or even broken. In cases like this, we find it is perfectly acceptable to leave the model in a safer position, as long as both players have agreed and know its 'actual' location" P. 11

This rule says that if "a particular piece of terrain makes it hard to put a model exactly where you want" then "it is perfectly acceptable to leave the model in a safer position, as long as both players have agreed and know its 'actual' location"