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Can Ratlings and Ogryns breed with humans? And would breed one with the other produce a normal human?

Why not? It's weird to think about but there still human.

I know they are human sapiens gigantis and minimalis, it's sort of odd you haven't heard about them, especially not breeds of human-ratlings, I mean ratlings are just promiscuous things and could easily bed humans.

Ogryn and Humans!?
New Space Marine Breeding Program?

Imperial poster: New and improved Space marines, stupider than ever!

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Imperial poster: New and improved Space marines, stupider than ever!

Cybernetics fixed that!

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Imperial poster: New and improved Space marines, stupider than ever!

I don't remember the quote perfectly but is something along the line of: "A small mind is easily fulled by faith" or something like that,

Next the Blood Clean-chapter of inbred Space Marines. They are of the Blood Angels-descent but not welcome at any banquets due to their tendency to drool over the icecream.

I would think so. Humans, Ratlings and Ogryn are different subspecies. Lifting something from Wikipedia:

Organisms that belong to different subspecies of the same species are capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring, but they often do not interbreed in nature due to geographic isolation or other factors. The differences between subspecies are usually less distinct than the differences between species. The characteristics attributed to subspecies generally have evolved as a result of geographical distribution or isolation.

I think they could, but I'm not sure they would. I think there would probably be a certain level of stigma against it seeing as how the offspring, although inherently human, may be considered a mutant because it is a melding of two different human subspecies. The Imperium views technological advancement as heresy, so advancing the human genome by creating new, hybrid species might be viewed similarly.

 Darth Bob wrote:
I think they could, but I'm not sure they would. I think there would probably be a certain level of stigma against it seeing as how the offspring, although inherently human, may be considered a mutant because it is a melding of two different human subspecies. The Imperium views technological advancement as heresy, so advancing the human genome by creating new, hybrid species might be viewed similarly.

Altering the human form IS considered heresy. There's a short story in Let the Galaxy Burn (ed. Marc Gascoigne and Christian Dunn) about a planet where the people have genetically modified themselves to adapt, and how they would be exterminated if the Imperium ever found out.

I'm sure they COULD interbreed, but I'm to understand that ratlings and ogryns are viewed by the general populace as mutants. (Just, controlled and sanctioned mutants. Y'know, like battle psykers. Or astropaths. Or navigators.) All the human variants should be able to mix and mingle, but most humans would not willingly do so.

That being said, Dan Abnett has shown us that there are places where there are colonies of mutants being used as slave labor by the Imperium. If an ogryn, or more likely a ratling, were to seek refuge there, they could easily knock out some offspring with the muties already living there, or with any human desperate enough to be living down with the monsters.

Hope that helps!

Theoretically I guess since they are various sub-sets of humans although I can't really see normal humans, Ratlings and Ogryns getting it on not only because of social stigma as well as cultural differences but also because of physical means. Ogryn are known for their disgusting lack of hygiene making many shun them simply for their malodorous stench and their sheer size weight would mean most Ratlings could potentially squashed underneath their weight. That or even the Ogryn's *ahem* long log of wood might be "too big to fit" in some cases. This extends to a lesser extent for humans. Though of course in terms of offspring it depends which sub-species/type of human is giving birth because I think it would be highly unlikely that a normal woman impregnated with Ogryn baby batter would give birth to an oversized Ogryn child that could rip out of her womb and vice versa.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Can Ratlings and Ogryns breed with humans? And would breed one with the other produce a normal human?

Ratlings and humans probably . Humans and Ogryn well i pity the human woman in that situation.

A human man and a female Ogryn could mate the human man would have have to be very drunk to go through with it and would most likely kill himself in disgust after the deed.

Human + Ogryn. Death by Snu Snu?

OT:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
Human + Ogryn. Death by Snu Snu?

If female Ogryn look anything like male Ogryn from behind only preferably with a garbage bag over her head.

After the deed there should be a mandatory three hour shower followed by counseling and heavy drinking.

The sad part here is there's always somebody that would do it. It may be a one night moped sorta thing, but there's always That Guy. The snu-snu refference is just priceless, though.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
I mean ratlings are just promiscuous things and could easily bed humans.

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Well, whatever floats your boat man, lol.

this is making me think of a regiment, composed of the offspring of ogryns and humans, massive dense muscles, slight IQ drop, and no self preservation!

 The Deathless Host wrote:
this is making me think of a regiment, composed of the offspring of ogryns and humans, massive dense muscles, slight IQ drop, and no self preservation!

I highly doubt that human women could survive mating with an ogryn male with an intact ermmm...hole...

 Kain wrote:

 The Deathless Host wrote:
this is making me think of a regiment, composed of the offspring of ogryns and humans, massive dense muscles, slight IQ drop, and no self preservation!

I highly doubt that human women could survive mating with an ogryn male with an intact ermmm...hole...

Vat grown maybe?

godking wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Can Ratlings and Ogryns breed with humans? And would breed one with the other produce a normal human?

Ratlings and humans probably . Humans and Ogryn well i pity the human woman in that situation.

A human man and a female Ogryn could mate the human man would have have to be very drunk to go through with it and would most likely kill himself in disgust after the deed.

Heyh I almost sympathy, I have felt so on occasion , it's not a good feeling.

Chihuahuas and Saint Bernards are mutually fertile. There's no reason (apart from cultural) that standard humans, ratlings, and Ogryn couldn't intermingle. But yeah, logistics dictate that the female be the larger partner when crossbreeding.

Can Ratlings breed with Ogryns?

Depending on which is the female, it's either hilarious or a tragedy

 Bludbaff wrote:
Chihuahuas and Saint Bernards are mutually fertile. There's no reason (apart from cultural) that standard humans, ratlings, and Ogryn couldn't intermingle. But yeah, logistics dictate that the female be the larger partner when crossbreeding.

True, but a chihuahua pregnant by a St. Bernard is at great risk of being killed by an over-sized fetus. Not so with the St. Bernard, of course.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
Can Ratlings breed with Ogryns?

Depending on which is the female, it's either hilarious or a tragedy

I cannot explain in words how much I laughed at this

All could produce viable young.

Also, with reference to above comments, Ratlings, Squats, Ogryns etc are all 'Abhumans' rather than 'Mutants' in Imperial eyes, so they will be subject to prejudices and on some worlds outright hostility due to ignorance of imperial law, but they are recognized and not subject to the open hostilities that random, unstable mutants suffer. Also note that in Abnett's books, the Imperium keeps an eye on mutants to ensure they are the result of toxins and such and not the warp, warp mutants get treated to the flamer, no questions asked.

Abhumans are regional variants of the human being, just adapted to an extreme, there are lesser abhumans throughout the imperium that are either classified as the Ogryn or Ratlings are or just lumped in with regular humans but noted for being tall and reedy or hunched and large eyed etc.

for a ratling to breed with a human, that ratling has got to be very very charming... don't know why he comes to mind

This whole thread has given me an idea for an Ogryn Navigator in the rough trader game i'm due to start playing in

As a ratling myself, I can say yes, we do.