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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 15:39:26
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Yo Yo Dakka, So me and a mate have started playing on a regular basis and have around a month to build our 1500pt lists. Played a few games at about 1000pts with mixture of success from both sides. So my friend has just bought his second Storm raven. So I am here with a list that I hope will be able to deal with all sorts of lists and especially dual stormraven list. Feedback definitely wanted, there are a few elements that I am not sure about and could use some guidance. HQ Commander, Drone Controller, IA, 2x MP, TL - 153pts Troops FWx9 - 81pts FWx9 - 81pts Kroot x 12 - sniper, 1 hounds -89pts Elites Riptide - IA, SI, EWO, TL FB - 225pts Crisis x3 - PRx6 - 156pts Crisis x3 - FBx6 - 156pts Heavy Support 2x Broadside - HYMP, SMS, VT, 2xMisDr - 266pts Broadside - HYMP, SMS, EWO, 2xMisDr - 118pts Fast Attack Tetra - 50pts Tetra - 50pts Marker Drones x4 - 56pts Total 1500pts The plan is keep the unit of 6 FWs in reserve to come on later in the game for that late objective grab. I have a total of 11 marker lights ranging between BS2 and BS4. A total of 13 Kill Points. I feel I have plenty of AP 2 and AP1. A good amount of high strength weapons to take care of any AV 14. The Missleside are to pump out shots at whatever comes close and my primary AA defence. My main concern is whether to make them one or two units instead of 3? And with the presence of two stormravens whether VT are worth taking on the Misslesides? First time in a long time I haven't included any vehicles, contemplating a Sky Ray but have never used one. Any thoughts Dakka, Thanks in advance, ATO Edited List
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2013/05/22 20:46:00
1000pts DeffBoys 4/2/0 (W/L/D) 6th Ed
1500pts Blazing Sept 4/2/0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 15:52:13
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Looks like a decent spread but CC incoming
HQ: drone controllers increase in efficiency the more drones there are, try considering a gun drone squad of marker lights. also try to add a Target lock as can be us full when joined to a squad.
TR: The firewarrior squad leader is a bit of a waste and for a BS 3 heavy marker light is meh. might as well spend those points to bump up model count on the 3rd FW squad.
Hounds are kinda sucks now, take only one for acute senses.
EL: Crisis suits with single weapons x2, you could make one set twinlinked, it helps when you drop them in with no support (but thats depends on your play style)
FA: tetras do no ever need BSF. remove it immediately
I would concider maybe making one of your broadsides into
a sky fire instead of intercepter, incase the other 2 fail. or invest in a ADL with a Quad or Icarus which really helps with that BS 5 commander suit. also try to squeeze in a pure tide chip on the commander it is super usefull
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 16:51:06
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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I think you are right in your concern about keeping all the broadsides separate. If you keep them separate, you only have to lose 1 drone for each suit to run away. Maybe you could have one unit of 2 with EWO and keep a single suit with a velocity tracker. I'd go for 2 units of 2 broadsides, but I can't tell you where the points should come from.
A few random things.
Why do you have 2 Kroot hounds? Usually people bring 1 for acute senses or 5 for assault, bit I've never seen someone bring 2. Its not a big deal since its only 5 points, but I was curious.
The consensus seems to be giving your firewarriors a shasui with a markerlight is not worth the points. Stick a few marker drones with your suits instead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 17:38:20
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Thanks for the feedback both:
@Desubot are you saying taking a drone squadron and attaching the commander to that unit?
I don't intend on dropping in the crisis suits more like JSJ up the table.
@Ninja the hounds were because I had 10 points lol so I will reduce them down to one each.
I could drop the 6 man firewarrior team, a hound, TL the suits to try and squeeze in the separate broadside. I like the idea of taking velocity trackers on one unit gives me a lot more chance of taking those flyers down. If I don't have the points I will have one unit of 2 with the EWO and 1 single missleside with the VT.
Do you recommend having the Missle Drones out front? Or keep them behind the Misslesides?
Thanks again for the feedback.
ATO
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1500pts Blazing Sept 4/2/0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 17:45:39
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I mean take the drone squad from the Fast attack slot, make them all marker drones. then attach the commander for maximum markerlights BS 5 marker lights all day, and the more drones you stick with a drone controller commander the more points efficient it gets per hit. But its only a suggestion, iv tried it and its nice. Keep drones in front if you see alot of lascannons, keep em back if its only small arms fire.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 18:00:02
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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@Desubot - thanks for the suggestions. I have included a 6 man marker drone squad now, got rid of the 6 man FWs, a hound. I can swap 2 drones from the fast attack squad and put two onto the commander to save 4pts but I don't think that will get me anywhere.
I have added a TL on the commander so he can fire separately. How many marker drones have you been using?
Anyone had any positives of using Skyrays?
ATO
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1000pts DeffBoys 4/2/0 (W/L/D) 6th Ed
1500pts Blazing Sept 4/2/0
1000pts WoC 0/0/0 (W/L/D)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 18:06:33
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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full squads at 1000+
But i also focus fire with Ion riptides and Ion heads.
so its enough to get non scatter reroll gets hot ignore cover large templates that usually remove TEQ+
but this is my play style.
I haven't tried skyrays yet.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 18:09:56
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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When you say non scatter rerolls what exactly do you mean?
Thanks,
ATO
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1000pts DeffBoys 4/2/0 (W/L/D) 6th Ed
1500pts Blazing Sept 4/2/0
1000pts WoC 0/0/0 (W/L/D)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 18:39:59
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Alltheones wrote:When you say non scatter rerolls what exactly do you mean?
Thanks,
ATO
I basically meant that with 12 bs 5 markerlights i will have enough hits to use up on one or two high str blast weapons, 2 ml hits for ignore cover, the rest to increase BS up to 12 or 6 depending on the situation. the 6+ lets you reroll get hot. it also should let you reroll scatter but that is debated a bit iirc.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/22 19:55:32
Subject: 1500pts Tau v BA double Stormraven
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Aw nice! So do you think the list is pretty solid for all opponents?
ATO
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1000pts DeffBoys 4/2/0 (W/L/D) 6th Ed
1500pts Blazing Sept 4/2/0
1000pts WoC 0/0/0 (W/L/D)
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Orange and White see the Gallery. |
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